[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 86

On March 08 2012 08:48 Mogwai wrote:
new blog post up, check it out: http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/in-defense-of-lol/

also, neo, should I just make a new thread for my blog to keep these out of GD?

furry chinchilla (Riven) [00:32:07]: screwed in matchmaking
furry chinchilla (Riven) [00:32:16]: got noob garen and thhey got 3 skins

On March 08 2012 09:57 Takkara wrote:


But you can counter that with the popularity of fighting games. There's even fewer "variations" of strategy, but the beauty is in the execution. Watching people accomplish amazing things. That's the essence of both sport and eSport. I think two major things need to be there for a good E-Sport:

1) Skill should generally be rewarded - Better players should, on average, beat worse players.
2) Clutch must be possible - A game should be capable of producing moments that leave you in awe.

I think Smash and our experience shows that LoL has both. The top of the Solo Queue ladder and the top of the tournament scene is reliably the top of the player base. And all you have to do is watch a couple tournaments, or, watch the LoL plays of the week videos that get put out by like Protatomonster. This game has the 'it' factor that makes it succeed. Independent of "difficulty", independent of "mechanics", independent of "casualness".

BW has it, SC2 has it, LoL has it, DotA2 has it (imho), Quake has it, MK9 has it, MVC has it, Halo has it. I apologize for missing anything, but I honestly enjoy all of those games, though I only really follow LoL, BW, and SC2 seriously. It's stupid and pointless to try and drive wedges between communities and enforce some imaginary pecking order in ESports when there is none.

On March 08 2012 11:12 Offhand wrote:


I should really start that "best of tribunal" idea I had a few days ago, so many terrible games produce these kinds of quotes.

On March 08 2012 10:34 RageOverdose wrote:
So what's a good mage setup for mid?

I'm not really sure what to do. When I play Kass I go for a more tanky setup because I have to be able to resist harass due to my range pre-6 (of course, when I hit 6 I get a lot more flexibility in most cases). But when I do other mages, like Veigar or Lux, I'm not sure how to really benefit the most from my runes. Should I amplify their strengths (Lux's cooldowns and Veigar's regen) or should I compensate for a couple weaknesses like Kassadin? I usually use mPen reds, AP Quints, and AP/level blues, but the yellows I don't know what to do. I get HP/level for general survivability but I'm wondering if mana regen or flat resistances are better?

On March 08 2012 09:49 turdburgler wrote:


i dont actually feel smash did a good job of refuting the point that starcraft is a harder game than lol. he simply argued that mechanical skill isnt the only metric for difficulty, which i agree with.

i think for me, the reason i see starcraft as a harder game (not to say lol cant be an esport of blah blah) is the way that building placement works. in lol, your 'build' is 6 simple items which everyone can see and which have only a simplistic effect on the game. a bf sword makes you hit harder, yay.

in starcraft theres a whole mini game of building choices and placement, proxy buildings, hidden tech to avoid scouting, number of rax compared to factories affecting your composition, making a quick tech to something then rarely using it again (cloaked banshees for example) compared to in lol, you dont see people doing a sherelias rush then selling it back down to a philo stone and picking up boots instead.

maybe as lol grows you might just see the nature of items etc changing or whatever, but i truely believe that starcraft is a harder game in more ways than simply mechanical muscle memory tasks.

and again, im not saying i dont enjoy lol, or lol cant be a sport. many sports are simplistic and are still exciting, some are more complex, i dont see that as a metric for esportyness.

On March 08 2012 11:27 Juicyfruit wrote:
You could probably do it, but AP yi requires more gold than regular Yi to do anything so...

On March 08 2012 11:56 Mogwai wrote:

Maybe i communicated the point of the post poorly then. I'm not trying to say LoL is a harder game than SC or anything of the sort. Rather, I'm trying to point out that a lot of the reasons people give for blindly disliking it when stacking it next to SC or DotA are simplistic and foolish ways of trying to quantify difficulty and that LoL deserves more respect at this point in time than it's given by a lot of people who shrug it aside as, "that casual form of DotA."

On March 08 2012 11:56 Mogwai wrote:

Maybe i communicated the point of the post poorly then. I'm not trying to say LoL is a harder game than SC or anything of the sort. Rather, I'm trying to point out that a lot of the reasons people give for blindly disliking it when stacking it next to SC or DotA are simplistic and foolish ways of trying to quantify difficulty and that LoL deserves more respect at this point in time than it's given by a lot of people who shrug it aside as, "that casual form of DotA."

On March 08 2012 12:19 UniversalSnip wrote:
nobody plays put the ball in the net. they play relatively complex games with lots of rules about how you can touch the ball.

On March 08 2012 12:23 Bladeorade wrote:
What I don't understand is why people think SC2 is difficult. Game is not difficult to learn how to play. Everything is dumbed down and getting good doesn't take all that long. A couple months dedicated and you can hit masters.

I honestly think any high masters players understand this and it is mostly the shitty majority of the SC2 community that trashes other games.

On March 08 2012 12:33 turdburgler wrote:


you find the rules of either basketball or football "complex"?

On March 08 2012 12:33 turdburgler wrote:


you find the rules of either basketball or football "complex"?