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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#1661
On March 08 2012 06:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:09 JackDino wrote:
On March 08 2012 05:35 Shikyo wrote:
they go 10 armor pen because that helps the most against the jungle monsters because its the best way to get their armor to at or near 0

Do you know what Kerp runs?

I nearly shot soda out of my nose.

And I have no idea, he runs random shit all the time. That rune page with all crit chance reds, quints, and seals and armor blues is my favorite
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#1662
Morg would be jealous.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 07 2012 22:16 GMT
#1663
Oh god, I just imagined panth throwing bread at people. That image will forever be in my mind.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 07 2012 22:17 GMT
#1664
WTB credit for the throwing baguettes I came up with it spines steeling my idea.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 07 2012 22:47 GMT
#1665
On March 08 2012 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
WTB credit for the throwing baguettes I came up with it spines steeling my idea.

Try posting it on the forums sooner if it's really your idea.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 07 2012 22:52 GMT
#1666
My name in Dnepropetrovsk is cursed, when he finds out I published first!
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
March 07 2012 22:55 GMT
#1667
On March 08 2012 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
WTB credit for the throwing baguettes I came up with it spines steeling my idea.

legit
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 07 2012 23:06 GMT
#1668
On March 08 2012 06:21 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 08 2012 05:56 Shikyo wrote:
Question is.

Why run olaf when you can run mundo?

More damage, same jungle speed (if you get blue), immunity to disables is AWESOME.


You shouldn't gloss over blue buff like that. In a lot of team compositions you aren't going to get blue unless the enemy lets you camp theirs, which makes that distinction more important than a parenthetical statement implies.

That said, Mundo and Olaf aren't particularly similar, so the comparison seems odd.


slowing skill shot as only gank tool and good clear speed i think is the comparison people are making
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 07 2012 23:17 GMT
#1669
On March 08 2012 06:29 Terranasaur wrote:
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On March 08 2012 06:24 goldenkrnboi wrote:
On March 08 2012 06:10 Erasme wrote:
I ran into a GP with 92~~ damage around level 3, is that possible without a full ad rune page ?


what items did he have? just cloth? it might be if E's level 2 and some ad runes


GP players always looking to cheese... Wouldn't surprise me if this is possible. Didn't we have a chat recently about a Sion doing this? But that one was Mythbusted...


He only had clothes + pots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 07 2012 23:21 GMT
#1670
On March 08 2012 08:06 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:21 Seuss wrote:
On March 08 2012 06:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 08 2012 05:56 Shikyo wrote:
Question is.

Why run olaf when you can run mundo?

More damage, same jungle speed (if you get blue), immunity to disables is AWESOME.


You shouldn't gloss over blue buff like that. In a lot of team compositions you aren't going to get blue unless the enemy lets you camp theirs, which makes that distinction more important than a parenthetical statement implies.

That said, Mundo and Olaf aren't particularly similar, so the comparison seems odd.


slowing skill shot as only gank tool and good clear speed i think is the comparison people are making


That's an extremely narrow way to look at the two champions. It's like comparing Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise because they both have brown hair, green eyes, and are named Tom. Even though they have a few things in common they are fundamentally different.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 07 2012 23:25 GMT
#1671
mundo is actually the closest comparison to olaf that i think legitimately makes sense
their cc redux, skillshot nukes and high damage at close quarters due to steroids / olaf's e are pretty good comparisons
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Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
March 07 2012 23:47 GMT
#1672
On March 08 2012 08:21 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:06 turdburgler wrote:
On March 08 2012 06:21 Seuss wrote:
On March 08 2012 06:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 08 2012 05:56 Shikyo wrote:
Question is.

Why run olaf when you can run mundo?

More damage, same jungle speed (if you get blue), immunity to disables is AWESOME.


You shouldn't gloss over blue buff like that. In a lot of team compositions you aren't going to get blue unless the enemy lets you camp theirs, which makes that distinction more important than a parenthetical statement implies.

That said, Mundo and Olaf aren't particularly similar, so the comparison seems odd.


slowing skill shot as only gank tool and good clear speed i think is the comparison people are making


That's an extremely narrow way to look at the two champions. It's like comparing Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise because they both have brown hair, green eyes, and are named Tom. Even though they have a few things in common they are fundamentally different.


What? If you look at olaf and mundo they are pretty damn similar.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 07 2012 23:48 GMT
#1673
new blog post up, check it out: http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/in-defense-of-lol/

also, neo, should I just make a new thread for my blog to keep these out of GD?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 07 2012 23:58 GMT
#1674
On March 08 2012 08:48 Mogwai wrote:
new blog post up, check it out: http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/in-defense-of-lol/

also, neo, should I just make a new thread for my blog to keep these out of GD?

very nice ^^ totally agree. my friends who play dota/hon mostly feel threatened or jealous. the "takes more skill" thing is just a silly excuse.
GANDHISAUCE
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 23:59:55
March 07 2012 23:59 GMT
#1675
On March 08 2012 05:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 04:55 Slayer91 wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
I have a REAL hard time giving up armor pen. Especially when I want to whack on champions.


We're talking a few % difference and you always seem to sound like its a big deal. It's maybe an decently big deal for AD carries, `(even though half of them stopped running it lol) in jungle clear speed and ganking potential is going to make a LOT more than a few % difference.

The main thing is that literally EVERY top jungle- Saint, Snoopeh, TOO- build their AS runepage around hitting 10 armor pen.

If every top player does something one way, probably a good indication that you should follow. Thats just my belief.


literally every top player doesn't run a crit chance glyph and that didn't seem to sway you

you should at least be consistent with your reasoning, personally I think it's ok to admit to holding a belief out of inertia
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 00:09:41
March 08 2012 00:08 GMT
#1676
On March 08 2012 08:48 Mogwai wrote:
new blog post up, check it out: http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/in-defense-of-lol/

also, neo, should I just make a new thread for my blog to keep these out of GD?


I have mixed feelings about the whole mechanical skill argument. The problem is that I can see correlations but I don't feel at all confident claiming causation because I can always think of counterexamples.

For example, tf2 is a child of quake. Tf2 has lower mechanical skill than quake. Tf2 is also a worse competitive game than quake. Is that because it has lower mechanical skill, or is it worse for other reasons? It's possible that sometimes the same design decision might make a game less mechanically skilled and at the same time of a lower quality in competition without the first necessarily causing the second, and that we tend to lump these things together.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 00:10:17
March 08 2012 00:10 GMT
#1677
On March 08 2012 06:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:09 JackDino wrote:
On March 08 2012 05:35 Shikyo wrote:
they go 10 armor pen because that helps the most against the jungle monsters because its the best way to get their armor to at or near 0

Do you know what Kerp runs?

I nearly shot soda out of my nose.

Easy on the High-fructose corn syrup bud. Don't want you to end up like Phrost.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
March 08 2012 00:11 GMT
#1678
On March 08 2012 08:48 Mogwai wrote:
new blog post up, check it out: http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/in-defense-of-lol/

also, neo, should I just make a new thread for my blog to keep these out of GD?

I think you make a really good point Mogwai.

I think part of the reason why people say LoL requires no skill is due to the fact that strategical depth is hard to quantify, whereas APM is quantitative and even beginners can use that as a way to measure their skill level.

Think of all the people who only analyze RTS on a superficial level. When SC2 was announced, people who got into Brood War felt that their skill level was measured by APM and build order alone. So we had tons of D level ICCUP players who had 300+ APM and could execute a build order to 150 supply perfectly but had no game sense and no idea what to do once the build order was complete. Such players would criticize B level ICCUP players with things like "Even a D- ICCUP knows how to put a Gateway on top of a Forge in PvZ, this player sucks," and be unable to appreciate the decision making that occurs at a deeper level than someone without gaming experience can observe. I even remember when people on TL were saying how the Chinese player F91 was bad because his ZvT build order was considered inferior to the Korean build, yet he still beat Idra 5-2 in a show match.

How do you explain teamwork and strategy to people who can only analyze RTS in terms of mechanics, builds, and things that are concrete and quantifiable? When people watch a LoL replay or VOD, anyone can say "M5 built these items on Shyvana and counterjungled at exactly these times against this champion, if I do this I can easily be as good as M5." But then attempts to reproduce this strategy straight up often ends badly. One might take it a step further and say "If we break down M5's team comp and plays frame by frame, we can just copy EXACTLY what they do and be as good as them." Yet even other PRO TEAMS (TSM comes to mind) who try to reproduce M5's style seem to fail where M5 succeeds.

The nuances and game sense involved with RTS take a long time to develop and are difficult to appreciate fully until you've reached a certain level of skill. Even with someone like Jatt explaining all the nuances of pressure and objective control to me, I still feel there are things I am missing beneath that layer that only a skilled observer can fully understand.

I think though, that the most skilled RTS players can appreciate the fact that all strategy games require a level of comprehension and decision making that goes deeper than the obvious and quantifiable.
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 08 2012 00:15 GMT
#1679
On March 08 2012 01:57 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 16:57 mr_tolkien wrote:
On March 07 2012 16:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
what is the difference between "player attack move click" and "attack move" in keybindings?

Iirc «Attack move click» is like a smartcast attack move.

WHAT, I can finally smartcast a-move and no one told me?

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:37 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I've been wondering how you're supposed to build an AD carry defensively late game.
What items do you get and how many defensive items?
I've been trying negatron Warmogs, though I think some people like just GA, or just BV. I reserve my 4 other slots for IE Pdancer LW (replacing vamp scepter) boots (replacing boots with another pdancer or BT).

One item, any more and you stop dealing damage and become useless unless you're just too far ahead.


The choice you make like this:

If I get dived by multiple people every fight and my team is a sustained damage type, buy Guardian Angel.

If there is a single skill that really screws me over(Warwick ulti, Veigar Stun), buy Quick Silver Sash.

If the opposing team has no proper poke that is able to easily remove Banshee Veil and they have a Sion who usually instantly targets me, buy Banshee Veil

If the opposing team has a fed melee carry like Tryndamere who enjoys diving me every fight and going for sort of a killtrade and their team is AD heavy otherwise as well, buy Randuin's Omen.

If the opposing team has a Poppy...

...
.

...

Buy gunblade and Shyrelya's reverie and have Ghost and run like hell?

I get the GA stuff, but randuin's omen? Never ever seen that on an AD before.
I had an unfed yi dive me just now. He alpha striked, double striked, and attacked me twice according to death screen. I went from 100-0. I think having 2 defensive items is necessary. Only QN Which 2.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 08 2012 00:31 GMT
#1680
On March 08 2012 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
WTB credit for the throwing baguettes I came up with it spines steeling my idea.

I posted it 3 months ago >.>
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