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On March 07 2012 16:57 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 16:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
what is the difference between "player attack move click" and "attack move" in keybindings? Iirc «Attack move click» is like a smartcast attack move.
WHAT, I can finally smartcast a-move and no one told me?
On March 08 2012 01:37 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I've been wondering how you're supposed to build an AD carry defensively late game.
What items do you get and how many defensive items?
I've been trying negatron Warmogs, though I think some people like just GA, or just BV. I reserve my 4 other slots for IE Pdancer LW (replacing vamp scepter) boots (replacing boots with another pdancer or BT).
One item, any more and you stop dealing damage and become useless unless you're just too far ahead.
The choice you make like this:
If I get dived by multiple people every fight and my team is a sustained damage type, buy Guardian Angel.
If there is a single skill that really screws me over(Warwick ulti, Veigar Stun), buy Quick Silver Sash.
If the opposing team has no proper poke that is able to easily remove Banshee Veil and they have a Sion who usually instantly targets me, buy Banshee Veil
If the opposing team has a fed melee carry like Tryndamere who enjoys diving me every fight and going for sort of a killtrade and their team is AD heavy otherwise as well, buy Randuin's Omen.
If the opposing team has a Poppy...
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Buy gunblade and Shyrelya's reverie and have Ghost and run like hell?
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If shyvana doesn't beat lee sin in the jungle then she does with 1 level advantage. She is just too tanky for lee sins burst and has more sustained damage because of W, and Q is great against his slow.
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T_D's guide to runeing offensive junglers:
As vs Ad vs Armpen reds: Do I scale with damage? No- run As.
As for Armpen vs Ad reds- basically comes down to where your main damage is from. Shyv does all magic so she really doesnt need armpen, but otherwise you want armpen typically
Examples: WW uses as, shyv and Jax run Ad, Noct and LS typically run armpen.
Armor vs anything else yellow: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
MR/lvl vs anything else (typically Aspeed) blues: 99% of the time grab Mr. Only grab As if its someone who either is absurdly strong resist wise or wants a SHIT ton of as.
Examples: Shyv, Yi, Shaco, and Jax can all make a case for As blues.
Armpen vs Ad quint: Am I running armpen reds? If yes, grab ad. Am I running As reds? Grab armpen.
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Can you explain the reasoning for the quints.
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I'd go for movespeed quints on most junglers actually. I think it's far more important than the tiny damage increase, and shouldn't even hurt your clear speed because of you moving faster.
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Basically-
I run 9 armpen 3 ad quints on any of my scaling auto attackers like Noct, Olaf, GP, ect.
I run 9 (ish) as 3 armpen quints on jungles I will be autoattacking with a lot- basically only ww at this point, but I havent played shen in jungle yet, and I would run that on him as well.
The real question gets to be when you go full cheese and run full ad, no armor pen. Only characters I do this on are Shyvana and Jax, who do a lot of magic damage. Its just really hard to ignore the fact that Ad/armpen mix is the most efficient.
So basically you end up with those 3 pages.
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Personally I think all AS > AS/ArPen mixes because the attack animation speed up seems more valuable than the extra damage/hit when ganking with red buff.
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I have a REAL hard time giving up armor pen. Especially when I want to whack on champions.
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On March 08 2012 01:24 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:17 Terranasaur wrote:On March 07 2012 18:54 Shiv. wrote:On March 07 2012 14:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
edit: how much of a difference do AS marks make compared to AD marks on single target junglers like jax and xin? Due to Jax' new passive, I'd argue he's one of the junglers who need AS marks the least. On a lot of other popular junglers (Udyr, Shyv, Mao, Noc, Xin instantly come to mind), they're pretty much mandatory, though. You can easily clear your jungle without them, but you'll be faster and hence safer if you do use them. If you're stuck with AD marks for the time being, I'd suggest giving Lee Sin a shot. You can run him +15 AD on runes or a mixture of AD and ArP and it works like a charm. Reasons being his passive that gives him AS for the next 2 attacks everytime he uses a spell and his still very decent AD scaling. I don't run AS Reds on Shy. I run AD Reds and AS quints. To me it makes more sense with scaling. oh god... I want you to conduct an experiment for me. write down the stats you get from your AD Reds and AS Quints page. now I want you to instead use 6 AS Reds, 3 AD Reds, and 3 AD Quints. write down the stats you get from that page. compare and report the results in this thread.
I don't have AD quints, but I assume the point you are making is that they are the same.
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really? cause it makes practically no difference on whacking champions past like, the 10 minute mark. I dunno man, from a theorycrafting perspective, I just don't see how ArPen is going to make a significant difference for the better on someone who's just autoattacking.
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On March 08 2012 02:27 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Mogwai wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 Terranasaur wrote:On March 07 2012 18:54 Shiv. wrote:On March 07 2012 14:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
edit: how much of a difference do AS marks make compared to AD marks on single target junglers like jax and xin? Due to Jax' new passive, I'd argue he's one of the junglers who need AS marks the least. On a lot of other popular junglers (Udyr, Shyv, Mao, Noc, Xin instantly come to mind), they're pretty much mandatory, though. You can easily clear your jungle without them, but you'll be faster and hence safer if you do use them. If you're stuck with AD marks for the time being, I'd suggest giving Lee Sin a shot. You can run him +15 AD on runes or a mixture of AD and ArP and it works like a charm. Reasons being his passive that gives him AS for the next 2 attacks everytime he uses a spell and his still very decent AD scaling. I don't run AS Reds on Shy. I run AD Reds and AS quints. To me it makes more sense with scaling. oh god... I want you to conduct an experiment for me. write down the stats you get from your AD Reds and AS Quints page. now I want you to instead use 6 AS Reds, 3 AD Reds, and 3 AD Quints. write down the stats you get from that page. compare and report the results in this thread. I don't have AD quints, but I assume the point you are making is that they are the same.
No, the point is that when you do the math, the AD quint : AD mark ratio is higher than quint : mark ratio for other offensive stats (armor pen, attack speed etc..).
In other words, AD quints are straight up better than AD marks in every situation if you intend on running a mixture of AD + other stats in your quint/mark setup.
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On March 08 2012 02:27 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Mogwai wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 Terranasaur wrote:On March 07 2012 18:54 Shiv. wrote:On March 07 2012 14:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
edit: how much of a difference do AS marks make compared to AD marks on single target junglers like jax and xin? Due to Jax' new passive, I'd argue he's one of the junglers who need AS marks the least. On a lot of other popular junglers (Udyr, Shyv, Mao, Noc, Xin instantly come to mind), they're pretty much mandatory, though. You can easily clear your jungle without them, but you'll be faster and hence safer if you do use them. If you're stuck with AD marks for the time being, I'd suggest giving Lee Sin a shot. You can run him +15 AD on runes or a mixture of AD and ArP and it works like a charm. Reasons being his passive that gives him AS for the next 2 attacks everytime he uses a spell and his still very decent AD scaling. I don't run AS Reds on Shy. I run AD Reds and AS quints. To me it makes more sense with scaling. oh god... I want you to conduct an experiment for me. write down the stats you get from your AD Reds and AS Quints page. now I want you to instead use 6 AS Reds, 3 AD Reds, and 3 AD Quints. write down the stats you get from that page. compare and report the results in this thread. I don't have AD quints, but I assume the point you are making is that they are the same.
No, the point I'm making is that they're strictly better slot value than AD Reds.
Your all AD Reds, and AS Quints page gives 10% AS, 8.55 AD
If you go with my page, you still get 10% AS, but the AD goes up to 9.6.
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On March 08 2012 02:27 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:24 Mogwai wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 Terranasaur wrote:On March 07 2012 18:54 Shiv. wrote:On March 07 2012 14:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
edit: how much of a difference do AS marks make compared to AD marks on single target junglers like jax and xin? Due to Jax' new passive, I'd argue he's one of the junglers who need AS marks the least. On a lot of other popular junglers (Udyr, Shyv, Mao, Noc, Xin instantly come to mind), they're pretty much mandatory, though. You can easily clear your jungle without them, but you'll be faster and hence safer if you do use them. If you're stuck with AD marks for the time being, I'd suggest giving Lee Sin a shot. You can run him +15 AD on runes or a mixture of AD and ArP and it works like a charm. Reasons being his passive that gives him AS for the next 2 attacks everytime he uses a spell and his still very decent AD scaling. I don't run AS Reds on Shy. I run AD Reds and AS quints. To me it makes more sense with scaling. oh god... I want you to conduct an experiment for me. write down the stats you get from your AD Reds and AS Quints page. now I want you to instead use 6 AS Reds, 3 AD Reds, and 3 AD Quints. write down the stats you get from that page. compare and report the results in this thread. I don't have AD quints, but I assume the point you are making is that they are the same.
The point he's making is that as ASPD marks and quints have the same ratio as apen and other such runes but AD marks and Quints have a better ratio for the quints you get the same amount of ASPD and more AD if you do what he said to do.
oh im slow
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Wouldn't nocturne use as marks for getting more umbra blades?
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Holy hell, dat Shen. He hurts. And I didn't even rush Wit's, since I was against a Fiora. Dude's cool—I mean cooler than before—, if he stops to be permaban one day maybe I'll buy him. And pant as I struggle to learn energy management.
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On March 08 2012 02:33 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:27 Terranasaur wrote:On March 08 2012 01:24 Mogwai wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 Terranasaur wrote:On March 07 2012 18:54 Shiv. wrote:On March 07 2012 14:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
edit: how much of a difference do AS marks make compared to AD marks on single target junglers like jax and xin? Due to Jax' new passive, I'd argue he's one of the junglers who need AS marks the least. On a lot of other popular junglers (Udyr, Shyv, Mao, Noc, Xin instantly come to mind), they're pretty much mandatory, though. You can easily clear your jungle without them, but you'll be faster and hence safer if you do use them. If you're stuck with AD marks for the time being, I'd suggest giving Lee Sin a shot. You can run him +15 AD on runes or a mixture of AD and ArP and it works like a charm. Reasons being his passive that gives him AS for the next 2 attacks everytime he uses a spell and his still very decent AD scaling. I don't run AS Reds on Shy. I run AD Reds and AS quints. To me it makes more sense with scaling. oh god... I want you to conduct an experiment for me. write down the stats you get from your AD Reds and AS Quints page. now I want you to instead use 6 AS Reds, 3 AD Reds, and 3 AD Quints. write down the stats you get from that page. compare and report the results in this thread. I don't have AD quints, but I assume the point you are making is that they are the same. No, the point I'm making is that they're strictly better slot value than AD Reds. Your all AD Reds, and AS Quints page gives 10% AS, 8.55 AD If you go with my page, you still get 10% AS, but the AD goes up to 9.6.
Wow. Thanks for the tip. AD quints have been on my list to buy, but they are pricey and I'm not swimming in IP.
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On March 08 2012 02:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
I have a REAL hard time giving up armor pen. Especially when I want to whack on champions.
We're talking a few % difference and you always seem to sound like its a big deal. It's maybe an decently big deal for AD carries, `(even though half of them stopped running it lol) in jungle clear speed and ganking potential is going to make a LOT more than a few % difference.
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Um did anyone just have the game freeze then when you closed the game and reconnected it didn't try to reconnect you to the game?
Its like the game never happened...wtf it still should be going on too since we were still in the early game...
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On March 08 2012 04:55 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
I have a REAL hard time giving up armor pen. Especially when I want to whack on champions. We're talking a few % difference and you always seem to sound like its a big deal. It's maybe an decently big deal for AD carries, `(even though half of them stopped running it lol) in jungle clear speed and ganking potential is going to make a LOT more than a few % difference.
The main thing is that literally EVERY top jungle- Saint, Snoopeh, TOO- build their AS runepage around hitting 10 armor pen.
If every top player does something one way, probably a good indication that you should follow. Thats just my belief.
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Just take note of how often people get away from you where 1 extra auto would kill them when you run attack speed, and when 1 less autoattack would have left them alive with armor pen. Also take note of how much faster/slower your clear would be with attack speed vs armor pen. Shouldn't be TOO hard to objectively define the second, and the first is more or less based on your own experience.
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