EPT[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 83
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The main thing is that literally EVERY top jungle- Saint, Snoopeh, TOO- build their AS runepage around hitting 10 armor pen. If every top player does something one way, probably a good indication that you should follow. Thats just my belief. appeal to authority... anyway, my point is that I don't think enough people re-examined their runepage setups after the mastery and jungle changes and that the reason the 10 ArPen was there to begin with was to penetrate jungle camps and speed up jungle timings, not to hit champions. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:36 Mogwai wrote: appeal to authority... anyway, my point is that I don't think enough people re-examined their runepage setups after the mastery and jungle changes and that the reason the 10 ArPen was there to begin with was to penetrate jungle camps and speed up jungle timings, not to hit champions. There is a very good possibility of people not reevaluating their runepages. That being said, Imma keep going with it because it helps against creeps and it doesnt hurt when you are against champions. I just find it kind of hard to think that an extra little bit of as is going to give you another auto in a gank situation, wheras armor pen will make the hits you get hit just a bit harder. Plus it does give you full pen against everything but buffs and big wrath. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
I believe he's very good to take squishy carries with his ult and he's pretty strong as a jungler. What are his weaknesses ? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:44 -Zoda- wrote: Seeing Dyrus play Olaf a few days ago and now watching IEM, I'm wondering why Olaf isn't played at all on competitive games. I believe he's very good to take squishy carries with his ult and he's pretty strong as a jungler. What are his weaknesses ? Items, espeically in jungle. He needs a decent base of items to be able to do anything. I personally feel he needs a smaller base of items than a lot of people in this forum do, but he does need something. Dan Dinh has been working with something close to what I have been advocating for a while: Zerkers rush into Phage, Zeal, then a Zekes before finishing Triforce. I had been working wriggles->triforce, but I did try skipping wriggles and it worked pretty well. In this case though I still would like a HoG just for a bit of extra tank. | ||
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:44 -Zoda- wrote: Seeing Dyrus play Olaf a few days ago and now watching IEM, I'm wondering why Olaf isn't played at all on competitive games. I believe he's very good to take squishy carries with his ult and he's pretty strong as a jungler. What are his weaknesses ? extremely susceptible to being kited, relatively easy to burst down if you build for damage, very very hard time closing a gap he's definitely a viable champ, i just don't know if any pro teams want to take the risks associated with running him in a comp during an important game | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Why run olaf when you can run mundo? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:49 deskscaress wrote: extremely susceptible to being kited, relatively easy to burst down if you build for damage, very very hard time closing a gap he's definitely a viable champ, i just don't know if any pro teams want to take the risks associated with running him in a comp during an important game Run him with zilean/nunu, vroom vroom. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:56 Shikyo wrote: Question is. Why run olaf when you can run mundo? More damage, same jungle speed (if you get blue), immunity to disables is AWESOME. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:35 Shikyo wrote: they go 10 armor pen because that helps the most against the jungle monsters because its the best way to get their armor to at or near 0 It's kind of a lazy man's way of optimizing the jungle setup though. If you want armor pen, get armor pen, but going strictly for a particular amount just so that you don't "waste" any on mobs with less armor than that just doesn't make any sense because you're still wasting it if they don't result in you killing the mobs in less attacks. Armor pen/AD provides discrete benefits for jungling, where X amount of extra armor pen/AD doesn't do squat but X + 1 will. In contrast, attack speed provides benefits in a continuous because more attack speed will always result in faster clearing even if it's only 1% more. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:35 Shikyo wrote: they go 10 armor pen because that helps the most against the jungle monsters because its the best way to get their armor to at or near 0 Do you know what Kerp runs? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
I nearly shot soda out of my nose. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:03 Two_DoWn wrote: More damage, same jungle speed (if you get blue), immunity to disables is AWESOME. You shouldn't gloss over blue buff like that. In a lot of team compositions you aren't going to get blue unless the enemy lets you camp theirs, which makes that distinction more important than a parenthetical statement implies. That said, Mundo and Olaf aren't particularly similar, so the comparison seems odd. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:10 Erasme wrote: I ran into a GP with 92~~ damage around level 3, is that possible without a full ad rune page ? what items did he have? just cloth? it might be if E's level 2 and some ad runes | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:24 goldenkrnboi wrote: what items did he have? just cloth? it might be if E's level 2 and some ad runes GP players always looking to cheese... Wouldn't surprise me if this is possible. Didn't we have a chat recently about a Sion doing this? But that one was Mythbusted... | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:29 Terranasaur wrote: GP players always looking to cheese... Wouldn't surprise me if this is possible. Didn't we have a chat recently about a Sion doing this? But that one was Mythbusted... Gp has 83 ad @ lvl3 with 2 points in E, add runes/masteries to that and 93 is very possible. Having 100 ad or so at lvl2 is really gay on gp. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:29 Terranasaur wrote: GP players always looking to cheese... Wouldn't surprise me if this is possible. Didn't we have a chat recently about a Sion doing this? But that one was Mythbusted... offense tree, AD quints and level 2 E active gives 92. Not really a cheesy setup by any means IMO. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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