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tissue
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia441 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 19:46:18
March 01 2012 19:44 GMT
#481
I have been watching a new team stream ranked 5s. The NA ranked 5 scene seems pretty nonexistent, they play minecraft for half an hour to get a 15minute match and +3 elo. They just stomped their way to 1800s in mostly 20 minute games, dropping only one game so far. I guess they'll be on the first page when the ladder updates.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 01 2012 19:45 GMT
#482
On March 02 2012 04:35 Slayer91 wrote:
Fiora seems really strong. I played her once definitely doesn't seem weak I went like 2 dblades wits hog phage randuins trinity but might get wriggles instead because lifesteal hella good on her.

I still can't decide if I like wit's interaction with her kit. on-hit is cool with her ult and you get a lot of procs from the free AS on E and the resists are good, but at the same time, lifesteal, arpen, and stardard ADish stats seem to have great synergy too. uhg, can't decide how you should play her.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 01 2012 19:46 GMT
#483
On March 02 2012 04:45 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:35 Slayer91 wrote:
Fiora seems really strong. I played her once definitely doesn't seem weak I went like 2 dblades wits hog phage randuins trinity but might get wriggles instead because lifesteal hella good on her.

I still can't decide if I like wit's interaction with her kit. on-hit is cool with her ult and you get a lot of procs from the free AS on E and the resists are good, but at the same time, lifesteal, arpen, and stardard ADish stats seem to have great synergy too. uhg, can't decide how you should play her.

Build her like talon/pant, bts lw and a ga.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 19:48:31
March 01 2012 19:48 GMT
#484
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 19:52:02
March 01 2012 19:48 GMT
#485
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.

On March 02 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.

Why you don't like wit and atma on the same build ? That's usually the build I go with shyvana (wriggles, merc, mallet, wit, atma).
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 01 2012 19:51 GMT
#486
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.


sounds like akali
kind of
And all is illuminated.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 19:53:22
March 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#487
On March 02 2012 04:51 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.


sounds like akali
kind of

Except she actually tanks quite a lot with the good items.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 19:54:16
March 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#488
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.

Why you don't like wit and atma on the same build ? That's usually the build I go with shyvana (wriggles, merc, mallet, wit, atma).


if you're getting atmas, pdancer is a better aspeed option, in general

edit: because of the crit
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 01 2012 19:54 GMT
#489
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.

Why you don't like wit and atma on the same build ? That's usually the build I go with shyvana (wriggles, merc, mallet, wit, atma).

because wit's doesn't synergize particularly well with AD/Crit setups and I usually would rather it be a PD in those style builds, but I guess the raw cost effectiveness of atma's and wit's is such that they can get along just fine despite their non-existent synergy .
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#490
As far as a design perspective go I think Parry should reflect a percent damage back (like thornmail), instead of flat magic damage. Also for Fiora's steroid I think the MS buff should be significantly higher, especially considering how short the buff lasts. Also the first stack of MS should start right on the activation of the ability, rather than require the first hit.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 01 2012 20:09 GMT
#491
On March 02 2012 04:54 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.

On March 02 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.

Why you don't like wit and atma on the same build ? That's usually the build I go with shyvana (wriggles, merc, mallet, wit, atma).

because wit's doesn't synergize particularly well with AD/Crit setups and I usually would rather it be a PD in those style builds, but I guess the raw cost effectiveness of atma's and wit's is such that they can get along just fine despite their non-existent synergy .


Ususually wits end is about as much AS that is effective on melees before you have problems with runners so getting atmas isn't that bad when getting atmas without any AS feels a bit weak.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 01 2012 20:10 GMT
#492
Or from a design perspective Parry should perhaps disarm? Prevent normal attacks for 1 second or something.. I think that would make sense lorewise, not sure about balance.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 20:11:53
March 01 2012 20:10 GMT
#493
Am I the only one that doesn't want to gank a fiora 2v1 post 6 ?
I guess I'll do that tribunal thing when the game is loading.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 20:14:50
March 01 2012 20:11 GMT
#494
On March 02 2012 04:54 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.

On March 02 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.

Why you don't like wit and atma on the same build ? That's usually the build I go with shyvana (wriggles, merc, mallet, wit, atma).

because wit's doesn't synergize particularly well with AD/Crit setups and I usually would rather it be a PD in those style builds, but I guess the raw cost effectiveness of atma's and wit's is such that they can get along just fine despite their non-existent synergy .


they both scale well with attack speed? ta da?

is it just me that sees it competely viable to build her as a tank if you wanted to? ree sin has insanity scaling ult too yet its rare to build dmg on him. with her passive heal, tons of damage from flat bonus's /steroids and her ult making her untargetable if she is focused(?) she could be quite a decent bruiser. GA wits ionic wriggles main item goals etc. probably a mallet or triforce. she seems like a great 1v1 hero but so ult reliant for survival in team fights ;o
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 01 2012 20:12 GMT
#495
On March 02 2012 05:09 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:54 Mogwai wrote:
On March 02 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote:
Fiora seems to be the type of hero that needs a shit ton of money and that you don't want to feed. I've seen her twice and if she gets pwned, she is just useless, no snare, no nothing. On the other side, I've seen her feed once, and she tower dive, jump on you, play with you like you are nothing.

On March 02 2012 04:48 Mogwai wrote:
I don't think that makes sense because she has really good sustained Auto-damage potential, which forces you to be tankier. Even though I hate having wit's and atma's in the same build I'm thinking wriggle's, wit's, mallet, atma's might be a strong core on her.

Why you don't like wit and atma on the same build ? That's usually the build I go with shyvana (wriggles, merc, mallet, wit, atma).

because wit's doesn't synergize particularly well with AD/Crit setups and I usually would rather it be a PD in those style builds, but I guess the raw cost effectiveness of atma's and wit's is such that they can get along just fine despite their non-existent synergy .


Ususually wits end is about as much AS that is effective on melees before you have problems with runners so getting atmas isn't that bad when getting atmas without any AS feels a bit weak.

eh, I'm just saying that Wit's only has as much synergy with Atma's as a Recurve Bow, so from my approach to creating builds, I just cringe at the thought of putting them together, but they're both just so darn effective that once I get over that hangup I can understand why people do it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 01 2012 20:14 GMT
#496
On March 02 2012 05:10 Shikyo wrote:
Or from a design perspective Parry should perhaps disarm? Prevent normal attacks for 1 second or something.. I think that would make sense lorewise, not sure about balance.


actually the way it's set up now makes the most sense lorewise (if we're talking about from a fencing perspecitve). The basic defensive move is a parry-riposte, which is exactly what is happening here. parry != disarm.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 20:19:12
March 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#497
On March 02 2012 05:14 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 05:10 Shikyo wrote:
Or from a design perspective Parry should perhaps disarm? Prevent normal attacks for 1 second or something.. I think that would make sense lorewise, not sure about balance.


actually the way it's set up now makes the most sense lorewise (if we're talking about from a fencing perspecitve). The basic defensive move is a parry-riposte, which is exactly what is happening here. parry != disarm.

her footwork is too shitty to be a really fencer anyway. like, he stance is far too high up, she needs to have a wider base, lower center of gravity and orient her blade towards her opponent.

also parry would be sweeter if it animated through the standard 1-8 foil parry positions as you used it throughout the game.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#498
On March 02 2012 04:38 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On March 02 2012 04:27 barbsq wrote:
On March 02 2012 04:17 Erasme wrote:
Btw guys, does the Tribunal rewards a lot of ip ? And is it worth it ?


well, it can be worth it if u can chug them out during champ select, i guess. I wouldn't go out of my way to do them tho.

edit: it would be 100x more convenient if you could do it within the client, like if i could pop open tribunal while in champ select or in queue, that would be pretty awesome.

Just popping in briefly, but Tribunal now works on mobile browsers iirc.


that would be cool.... if i had a mobile browser, lol.

that actually sounds kinda neat tho, being able to wield the banhammer whilst riding the T to school, lol.



Whooaaa! We have a Boston man?

I do tribunal while waiting for games and at other times when I have a browser but can't play league. The extra 400-500 IP a week is really nice, and I feel good banning all the asshats that ruin my games. Protect and serve.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#499
On March 02 2012 05:18 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 05:14 barbsq wrote:
On March 02 2012 05:10 Shikyo wrote:
Or from a design perspective Parry should perhaps disarm? Prevent normal attacks for 1 second or something.. I think that would make sense lorewise, not sure about balance.


actually the way it's set up now makes the most sense lorewise (if we're talking about from a fencing perspecitve). The basic defensive move is a parry-riposte, which is exactly what is happening here. parry != disarm.

her footwork is too shitty to be a really fencer anyway. like, he stance is far too high up, she needs to have a wider base and lower center of gravity.

also parry would be sweeter if it animated through the standard 1-8 foil parry positions as you used it throughout the game.


that would make her instabuy status for me, lol (4 year sabre fencer), but at the same time, it seems like that would be a massive pain in the ass to animate all of them. I havn't actually seen her animations, but if they're really that bad, it might seriously bug me, . Can't exactly expect the riot team to hire an outside expert and do motion-capture just for this one champ tho, haha
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#500
I'm sure what EVERYONE is waiting for is what do Cloud's friends think of Fiora? Their knowledge for the strength of champions is astounding (Shen best example).
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