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On March 01 2012 15:56 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think the main point you didn't consider is that E CD redux on kills/assists. My personal opinion is that if you're super jacked early on and is set to carry, you can build more AD as you see fit because 3 seconds of E uptime sucks, but let's sake for argument sake: 3 kills in a teamfight brings that uptime up to 12 seconds total, which is totally different.
Even then, I don't think that justifies AD items over Triforce. Additional E activations ALSO means more Triforce procs, and Triforce's burst-oriented nature means it's better suited to the type of fighting that you want to do to actually GET E to cool itself down.
It's the same logic as Triforce on Yi, really. Except Fiora also happens to have absurdly low CDs that have good synergy with Triforce, rather than a bunch of medium-long CDs.
TBH I can see GB+Triforce being good on her, just like Yi. Armor Pen actually isn't that bad of a stat for her, CDR is decent, and she makes good use of the Ghostblade active.
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I don't disagree with the triforce (if anything, at least the slow proc will come in handy). I do disagree with the general sentiment that wit's end is better than bloodthister though. The lifesteal from BT is actually fairly substantial for her MO:
- start fighting, soak up some damage
- become a ninja for 2 seconds and get back to full health through lifesteal
- cleanup and use super DPS steroid to kill everything while lifestealing to stay alive.
It just seems to...make sense to me, but I'm really just speculating.
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On March 01 2012 16:07 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't disagree with the triforce (if anything, at least the slow proc will come in handy). I do disagree with the general sentiment that wit's end is better than bloodthister though.
I think with the fact that you're going to commit to at least Triforce, a half-offense half-defense item is a better buy than committing to a fully offensive item, especially for a melee hero that has poor defensive ability.
EDIT: It's sort of the same discussion you could have on a lot of melees that could be built anywhere along the squishy-tanky spectrum. Where do you put them that fits their kit best?
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I don't disagree that she needs to be able to survive, but I just don't think the magic resist from wit's end is any better for her "survival" than stacking more lifesteal depending on how you want to play her out. I mean if you think about it, the sheer lifesteal you get DURING the ult is like at least 500HP.
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triforce is going to let her stick to a target better than any other item, and she can somewhat make use of the procs
she is definitely a triforce champ
wriggles -> triforce -> tanky
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On March 01 2012 09:01 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 08:46 Alaric wrote:
What? Jax still gets knocked up by Xin during his E, isn't it a onhit effect? No idea, but Nasus Q or Gangplank Q or things like that miss
Nasus Q goes through
it's bullshit
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on-hits cannot be dodged
this has been true in league of legends since well over a year ago
pick a card, 3-talon strike, bear stance, etc etc etc cannot be dodged
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What about j4 passive? i could be wrong but it seems like it does.
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fck just made the worst little mistake i could make. accidentally pushed top lane @ lvl 1 as riven when they had a shaco. even though i never died, i had to give up a few cs to flora, so i started getting behind until late game, which i started owning. is it me or does riven have trouble dealing with champs with sustain? i know irelia is a good pick against riven, but i'm just wondering if that's generally the case. but like i said, it might've been due to shaco's presence that i did not so well against a flora
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On March 01 2012 17:01 gtrsrs wrote:
on-hits cannot be dodged
this has been true in league of legends since well over a year ago
pick a card, 3-talon strike, bear stance, etc etc etc cannot be dodged
I don't know if this is relevant to the discussion but if jax triggers his counterstrike when you ult him as warwick he doesn't take any damage. It happened to me on dominion. I've tried it multiple times since then.
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Played against my first Fiora as Olaf, thinking it'd be a decent pick. Went decent for the first few levels, but after she got enough points into her burst of speed, I'd get zoned every time it was up, and I'd zone her whenever it was down. Hard part though is that once we both had wriggles, she could commit far, far harder than I could and win trades favorably almost every time when she chose to, and when I tried to pick a fight she could dash away. Didn't help that I got baited thinking that being 500hp vs 200hp is fine when she still has ulti up. ignite->dash->ult and watch as my life slips away to an untargetable ninja.
I'm thinking nasus might actually be a decent pick against her though, as wither more than counteracts burst of speed, and nasus can build armor to survive the lane.
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On March 01 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 17:01 gtrsrs wrote:
on-hits cannot be dodged
this has been true in league of legends since well over a year ago
pick a card, 3-talon strike, bear stance, etc etc etc cannot be dodged I don't know if this is relevant to the discussion but if jax triggers his counterstrike when you ult him as warwick he doesn't take any damage. It happened to me on dominion. I've tried it multiple times since then.
Jax still suppressed, but dodges the attacks.
First thoughts on Fiora:
Sucks in jungle. Too slow, no CC, needs way more farm, there are far better options in the jungle.
Good top lane. I have actually been leveling W till like level 3 then maxing E for the extra AD and so i can trade faster and take less damage. Q in E W if you need, they run Q to them again, if they stand to fight Q to a creep away from you once E drops down.
Repeat till 50% and level 6. QEQ ignite R
She seems like a decent bully and the hp5 passive while underwhelming helps her some top.
My favorite part is if you tower dive with ult you don't have tower aggro when you come out.
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On March 01 2012 09:01 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 08:46 Alaric wrote:
What? Jax still gets knocked up by Xin during his E, isn't it a onhit effect? No idea, but Nasus Q or Gangplank Q or things like that miss
GP Q actually can't miss.
Next attack spells like nasus Q can be dodged but the buff doesn't get consumed. First attack that hits applies the buff if it's still up. Atleast that's how it works when you're blinded, not sure if it applies to dodge aswell.
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Destiny's stream is ridiculous with PL right now.
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Hi.
Would've been nicer without the ragequitting and alistar building zeals and afking for 15 minutes, though.
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Can I just say god bless team liquid. I was having a rough night, tilting a little, and I pulled up Liquid Party and noticed a dude venting about some stuff. We chat, and then duo, and he turns out to be a nice chap, we get a decent team, and end the night with a satisfying win.
This game is so much more fun when people aren't derping around like jackasses.
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On March 01 2012 17:44 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 09:01 Shikyo wrote:On March 01 2012 08:46 Alaric wrote:
What? Jax still gets knocked up by Xin during his E, isn't it a onhit effect? No idea, but Nasus Q or Gangplank Q or things like that miss GP Q actually can't miss. Next attack spells like nasus Q can be dodged but the buff doesn't get consumed. First attack that hits applies the buff if it's still up. Atleast that's how it works when you're blinded, not sure if it applies to dodge aswell.
Actually it was so that gangplank Q got dodged but Nasus's didn't.
Most likely bugs though so I wouldn't be surprised if they hotfixed it after I tested stuff
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here's a bit of a noob question: janna has less kda and less ck than soraka while both have only 2 gp10. how does janna have 1.8k more?
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Towers, drakes, barons, etc.
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