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On March 01 2012 14:28 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 11:19 0123456789 wrote:
Pros don't tilt. They carry despite their emotional state, with all roles. Cheesy quote from one of my favorite coaches: "You can never be tiltless, but you can always tilt less."...pros tilt less compared to their skill level. That's why they're there. Their A-Game is stronger than most other peoples A-Game and/or they play their A-Game more than other people. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:04 Two_DoWn wrote:I think you need to give some examples of crutches in lol. Replace "crutch" with "bad habit" and it should seem easier. If you do it all the time but you can't logically justify it every time it might be a good indicator of a crutch. I think it's a cool exercise and goes in line with completely focusing on a single aspect of a game for a while which is pretty much one of the most accepted ways of training a bigger thing in anything, but gamers seem to dislike the concept since it requires work & self-reflection and therefore a professional attitude. Something which VERY few "competetive / professional gamers" have anyway.
I wouldn't say crutch is a bad habit though.... For example, I noticed in my play is that I favor for most ap mid is dorans ring stack into deathcap. Is that bad? nope, I'd say it's fairly standard. But by only doing this, it limits my ability and understanding of perhaps going RoA first, or other openings. Our crutches maybe good habits, but wihtout forgoing them we might not quite understand why, or not appreciate or improve on what was our crutch.
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You can never be titless but you can have less tits. True dat bro. One tit better than having no tits. Cut off the one with cancer.
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On March 01 2012 06:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Oh gawd, I hate fiora jungle first few clears are such a bitch. But after first 2-3 clears its a lot easier.
My item build with her in jungle is. Cloth-5pot, ->madreds->boots->wrigs->merc boots->phage->witsend->bt->frozmallet.
Some things that I noticed more, is that her ganks are weak, because she doesn't have any good cc. But she does hit fairly hard if she can stick on the enemy.
Haven't really quite tried fiora top lane. (i'd assume she'd be sorta beasty, due to passive, and great steroid)
Anyone else got anything to attribute to this new champ?
Her jungling isn't bad. I did it in custom without leash on blue and in game wolves>blue with only a small leash. Doing it with no leash left me with 2/3 health. I never had too go back in custom.
21-9-0
Vamp scepter
Arp red
Armor
Ad quints
However ganks are terrible unless you have red. Even then they're Terrible.
Ugh I can't remember skill order. I think it was w-q
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In all seriousness, did tiamats help?
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So the in the postgame chat the Fiora on our team called us "drunkass hats". I'm not really sure what he was shooting for on that one? Are we inebriated headgear? Is that a bad thing?
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On March 01 2012 12:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:when I'm on a losing spree, I just get pissed off, go into 'i don't give a fuck mode' and play my main (warwick). Works nice evrytime. But seriously every so offer you get these string of games that make you feel so helplessly mad or just depressed. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 11:52 iCanada wrote:On March 01 2012 11:40 FoeHamr wrote:
The new champ is underwhelming. It might just be me, but it doesn't seem like she can really do a whole lot of damage. I have been trying to jungle with her, and her early game seems descent but doesnt scale well into the late game well. Am I just doing something wrong or is this a common problem? You just building her wrong or something. She scales similarly to a Master Yi, if not even harder imo. Her autos deal tons of damage regardless of items, but you can simply go straight AD on her because her E gives you a ridiculous +120% attack speed and also resets your auto attack timer. That, and her ultimate has an absurdly high AD scaling... things just die. So wait, she's decent? Should I spend that 6k IP on her after all?
I dunno, she melee carry. You like playing melee carries? If yes than give er, if not, then probably not.
I not saying she a perfect champ, or she imbalanced. I saying that her kit has a huge built in Attack speed steroid on a relatively short CD, two gap closers, and a pretty damn good ulti. From what I seen (Ie, the one game I screwed around with her in a normal) she has similar scaling to other melee carries like Riven/Tryndamere/Yi. She get farmed enough everything just flat out dies because they have an auto attack mechanic that makes them scale super hard (Tryn has crit, Riven has Passive/Ult, Yi has AD increase and ult) compared to ranged AD's... similarly she gets blown up pretty easily as well.
Just looking at her kit I personally think it silly to itemize attack speed because of her E's massive +120% as steroid. That allows you to just stack AD Riven style which grants her ridiculous scaling on her ult (anywhere from 1.2-2.8 depending on how many times you hit each champ) and a rather decent scaling on her Q as well. Good early game because it easier to last hit, don't need to stick around long to trade, and it great late game because damage is multplicative between attack damage and attack speed... 120% is two PD's worth of attack speed! Unreal...
I havn't played her a lot but she seems alright. I built her exactly like you'd build a Riven (Wriggles->Mercs->BT->GA->LW->IE) and things seemed to melt like you'd expect them too.
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I was 3 hitting jungle camps with Tiamat, that's about it...
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Finally! After 144 wins and 130 losses I have hit 1200! ><
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How does one get the Huntress Sivir skin?
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I've been realizing more and more that atma's is such a good item that it's just good even if you don't get any health items. The "mogs" of "atmogs" is kinda overrated. I've been going wriggles -> trinity -> atma on Nidalee a few games and it's been working out pretty well.
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On March 01 2012 15:00 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:when I'm on a losing spree, I just get pissed off, go into 'i don't give a fuck mode' and play my main (warwick). Works nice evrytime. But seriously every so offer you get these string of games that make you feel so helplessly mad or just depressed. On March 01 2012 11:52 iCanada wrote:On March 01 2012 11:40 FoeHamr wrote:
The new champ is underwhelming. It might just be me, but it doesn't seem like she can really do a whole lot of damage. I have been trying to jungle with her, and her early game seems descent but doesnt scale well into the late game well. Am I just doing something wrong or is this a common problem? You just building her wrong or something. She scales similarly to a Master Yi, if not even harder imo. Her autos deal tons of damage regardless of items, but you can simply go straight AD on her because her E gives you a ridiculous +120% attack speed and also resets your auto attack timer. That, and her ultimate has an absurdly high AD scaling... things just die. So wait, she's decent? Should I spend that 6k IP on her after all? I dunno, she melee carry. You like playing melee carries? If yes than give er, if not, then probably not. I not saying she a perfect champ, or she imbalanced. I saying that her kit has a huge built in Attack speed steroid on a relatively short CD, two gap closers, and a pretty damn good ulti. From what I seen (Ie, the one game I screwed around with her in a normal) she has similar scaling to other melee carries like Riven/Tryndamere/Yi. She get farmed enough everything just flat out dies because they have an auto attack mechanic that makes them scale super hard (Tryn has crit, Riven has Passive/Ult, Yi has AD increase and ult) compared to ranged AD's... similarly she gets blown up pretty easily as well. Just looking at her kit I personally think it silly to itemize attack speed because of her E's massive +120% as steroid. That allows you to just stack AD Riven style which grants her ridiculous scaling on her ult (anywhere from 1.2-2.8 depending on how many times you hit each champ) and a rather decent scaling on her Q as well. Good early game because it easier to last hit, don't need to stick around long to trade, and it great late game because damage is multplicative between attack damage and attack speed... 120% is two PD's worth of attack speed! Unreal... I havn't played her a lot but she seems alright. I built her exactly like you'd build a Riven (Wriggles->Mercs->BT->GA->LW->IE) and things seemed to melt like you'd expect them too.
Yeah I pretty much play melee champions only except ryze, kennen, vlad, ezreal. I still prefer to build her a bit more tankier though. Just a GA seems so iffy.
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On March 01 2012 15:00 iCanada wrote:
I havn't played her a lot but she seems alright. I built her exactly like you'd build a Riven (Wriggles->Mercs->BT->GA->LW->IE) and things seemed to melt like you'd expect them too.
I disagree for two reasons:
1) She does not have any defensive steroids that favor resist stacking. This means you have to build more rounded defense.
2) She has mediocre AD scaling (Q is only 0.6 AD ratio per hit, and R scales better with on-hit effects than with actual AD, because on-hit damage isn't reduced by the ult damage reduction, and the 5th hit is guaranteed to hit the 1st target again).
Because she doesn't have explicitly appealing benefits from AD, that should favor building items like Wit's End and Triforce which have more raw cost-effectiveness. She also doesn't get the same amount of free survivability that Riven does, meaning she can't afford to have 3-4 slots worth of offensive items. She needs to itemize for more defense.
E is not a reliable attack speed steroid. It has worse uptime than pretty much every other steroid in the game (3 seconds out of 11-15). Practically speaking it's most useful for some burst damage or as a mediocre mobility skill. It should not be a huge concern when you're considering your sustained DPS itemization, because of its minimal contribution to your sustained damage.
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Every time TheYango posts it's like "case closed."
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On March 01 2012 15:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 15:00 iCanada wrote:
I havn't played her a lot but she seems alright. I built her exactly like you'd build a Riven (Wriggles->Mercs->BT->GA->LW->IE) and things seemed to melt like you'd expect them too. I disagree for two reasons: 1) She does not have any defensive steroids that favor resist stacking. This means you have to build more rounded defense. 2) She has mediocre AD scaling (Q is only 0.6 AD ratio per hit, and R scales better with on-hit effects than with actual AD, because on-hit damage isn't reduced by the ult damage reduction, and the 5th hit is guaranteed to hit the 1st target again). Because she doesn't have explicitly appealing benefits from AD, that should favor building items like Wit's End and Triforce which have more raw cost-effectiveness. She also doesn't get the same amount of free survivability that Riven does, meaning she can't afford to have 3-4 slots worth of offensive items. She needs to itemize for more defense. E is not a reliable attack speed steroid. It has worse uptime than pretty much every other steroid in the game (3 seconds out of 11-15). Practically speaking it's most useful for some burst damage or as a mediocre mobility skill. It should not be a huge concern when you're considering your sustained DPS itemization, because of its minimal contribution to your sustained damage.
I actually agree with you overall, but for funsies, that 2.4 ad ratio(that's calculating in the reduced damage) on a 1k damage ult is BANANAS single target.
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On March 01 2012 15:24 arnath wrote:
How does one get the Huntress Sivir skin?
It's part of the Gamer's choice pack bundle. Don't think you can buy it individually.
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On March 01 2012 15:47 red_ wrote:
I actually agree with you overall, but for funsies, that 2.4 ad ratio(that's calculating in the reduced damage) on a 1k damage ult is BANANAS single target.
2.4 AD ratio is equivalent to adding 0.48 AD per hit, which is awful. On-hit procs apply full damage on every hit. This means Wit's End adds 210 damage to a single-target ult, compared to an unstacked BT which adds 144, or a fully stacked BT which adds 240. AND Wit's instantly goes to full stacks when you ult.
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I think the main point you didn't consider is that E CD redux on kills/assists. My personal opinion is that if you're super jacked early on and is set to carry, you can build more AD as you see fit because while 3 seconds of E uptime sucks...let's sake for argument sake: 3 kills in a teamfight, that brings the uptime on E to 12 seconds total, which is totally different.
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is there a streamer who is playing fiora and doing decent with her?
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