[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 179

On March 16 2012 17:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
clakeyd's ibuki is legit

On March 16 2012 17:15 TheBJ wrote:


Nasus is the most boring hero in the game , you lose lane to everyone and you are forced to play defensive vs everyone. If somehow you manage to do that for 25+ mins without the game being lost already you win.

Morde is an ap /semi carry/in ur face character/ that is really strong(unkillable) in certain situations , but incredibly useless in equal amounts.

Warwick in low level play destroys everyone.

On March 16 2012 17:46 Amui wrote:


Nasus in low elo is fun, because people don't punish you hard, and then you become god. But higher up there's like only 2-3 lanes he doesn't outright lose, so for being able to 2 shot a carry lategame you pay a heavy price. If you somehow get an early blue(tower dive or countergank or w/e) though, you instantly survive/win lane against almost every single melee laner. Don't take him if you like getting kills though, because you won't until mid-late game unless the jungler decides to camp your lane. He also snowballs in a rather unique way. Most champs that snowball get so much damage that they can combo somebody to death. When Nasus snowballs, he becomes an unstoppable farming monster that cannot get pushed out of lane, and the opponent gets to lane only when nasus decides creeps are a better use of Q cooldowns.

WW does destroy people at low levels because his passive oftentimes outheals what people can dish out because nobody has any items due to poor farming.

Don't have enough knowledge about morde apart from you are obligated to "hue hue hue" in chat.

On March 16 2012 19:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:
What happend to DanDihn then?

On March 16 2012 20:05 Zdrastochye wrote:


He'll be managing TSM with his brother, shoutcasting, and probably retire from the pro scene.

On March 16 2012 20:07 Apex wrote:


Might not given the fact that on his stream just now he was in a pm with someone and he said 'yes' when asked if he was looking for a new team.

On March 16 2012 11:37 Two_DoWn wrote:
Mundo: .03 base as, .3 as per level, .5 mr/lvl. Health cost on W cut by 10 at all levels. 10 sec on ulti. Biggest change: health cost on W. Significant, but I dont think it is the difference between him being shit tier and him being a top jungle pick. In all likelyhood this was just a case of no one tried him in jungle before M5.

Kennen: (last big buff): .09 ratio increase on w. .05 on e. 20 energy cost reduced at max rank on E. Nothing significant here.

Koggles: First time as the op (over a year ago): No buffs, just nerfs. Second time (Slightly more recent): 4 uptime increase on w, then reduced to 2. I contend all it did was get people to play him again, hence the reason for the revert- still used in Hannover after.

Lee Sin: IIRC he was considered shit for a good 3 months, even after the hotfixes. He wasnt played until they found the double damage e bug.

Morde: dont try to argue that. He was barely touched between his remake and the sheild gutting in September.

Morg: Was played before they overbuffed her.

Riven: We have argued this before. The hotfixes did not take her from shit tier to overpowered. Westrice did.

Skarner: Meh, proably true. 15 mana was lulzy overpowered. However, if you look at where he is now to where he was on release, it isnt too different, and he is still played in tourneys.

Vlad: Depends on if you give credit to salce playing him before the transfuse changes. I do.

Ali: You forgot about the roam meta where ali went from shit tier to god. Then the remake, then people stopped playing him after the subsequent nerfs, now Snoopeh jungles him.

Corki: Are you kidding? Corki disappeared for a good 6 months. He only came back recently when they threw a few "look I am still here!" changes at him.

Janna: No play for 6 months, although this was due to Soraka/sona being ridiculous.

Leona: Seeing WAY more play now than she ever has. Just look at Hannover.

Shyv: If this was true I wouldnt have had about 50 GD posts raving about shvyana prior to Kiev, then another 50 raging about how M5 made her popular.

Sion: Goes in and out constantly as people remember he is there. Happened a year ago, then it happened again like 3-4 months ago when regi picked him up again.

Yorick: Went from "trash tier" to picked in tournaments (again, I maintain that the buffs did not put him there, merely pushed him over the top, but even then people left him alone for a long time). Remember the IEM where he was banned near permanently so you couldnt run Vayne/yorick?

Champs cycle frequently at the whims of the community. What happens is people try to attach seeing them get buffed in patchnotes to returns to relevance, even if the changes are minute. It is one of the few ways you can actually gain credibility for playing a champion everyone considers useless, even if the changes dont do jack. Just like how you get flamed for playing champions who get non consequential nerfs.

On March 16 2012 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
Well, champions that are okay but haven't been played properly competitively in over 1 year in my opinion:

Malphite, Kayle(viability kind of debatable but imo still incredibly underrated), Wukong(not anymore), Volibear(not been out for a year)

So yeah it's kind of a stretch. Most notable I'd say is Malphite though and in my opinion he qualifies even if Alex Ich used him a few times.

On March 16 2012 20:31 red_ wrote:


So what you're saying, is that as minor buffs and nerfs happen, changes in their play are seen? Isn't that exactly what I said was the case?

You also(except in 1 case) completely ignore changes to other champions, or something like say, the biggest change to the game ever(the jungle), as impetus for a champions rise/fall in popularity.

I'm still waiting for the OVER 1 YEAR of ignored champion play without major balance change, that was your original statement so it seems perfectly acceptable for me to want a proper rebuttal no?

My main problem with what you said was your gigantic exaggeration because you do it in a good majority of your content filled posts/arguments; it doesn't help the argument to throw out ridiculous hyperbole, like trying to assert that JANNA has apparently not been a significant presence in competitive play over the entire history of the game.

... and yes I still maintain that Xerath will not see competitive play until he is either buffed(which probably won't happen because he's not woefully bad, such is Riot's balancing design) or Cass/Ryze/Morg and probably some others see nerfs(that will be what it takes for him to see competitive play, whether you think he deserves it now or not is a different argument, even if it's one we do disagree on).

Also, I really want to harp one one of your examples so bad: Kog received AN INCREDIBLE BUFF when he became 'the OP,' mostly in the form of his bugged Q passive. When they fixed the bug he immediately dropped back down to the same level or worse in comparison to other AD's, which is why he actually then get buffed again(and was really OP again with his 10s uptime on BAB), and then nerfed to where he is now: properly balanced sometimes picked AD who has a distinctive power curve.

On March 16 2012 20:47 De4ngus wrote:

the koreanz use malphite all the time. also dan dinh played him a lot with pretty good success.

On March 16 2012 20:52 BlueSpace wrote:


I think your blowing the whole thing a bit out of proportion. There might be a bit of a hyperbole by saying that no changes were made, but heroes definitely gain and loose popularity. Whether this is due to shifts in strategy or people getting bored with them is hard to say.

Maybe it is a bit of both? People get bored and decide to try something new, that actually turns out to be better. Overall and that is the common complaint of everybody I have the feeling, is that the development at the tournament level is a bit too sluggish when it comes to strategy or for a lack of a better word metagame.

So I don't exactly understand why your getting so riled up about that. T_D says much more controversial things then: "The community needs to experiment more."

On March 16 2012 21:18 red_ wrote:


First, that's not the comment that started the debate(or at least not for me). Second, tournament level play is not shifted because of 'boredom.' Third, you somewhat helped make my point, so I thank you sir.