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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 15:34:39
March 16 2012 15:32 GMT
#3601
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 16 2012 15:37 GMT
#3602
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Thank you.

I don't know how I feel about this...
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
March 16 2012 15:38 GMT
#3603
On March 17 2012 00:37 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Thank you.

I don't know how I feel about this...


Agree, the US shouldn't be in the olympic games either. Where's the fun in that?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 16 2012 15:40 GMT
#3604
On March 17 2012 00:09 Mogwai wrote:
duoing with dphat is a hugely positive influence. makes solo queue much more fun, less tilting, good times.

I haven't been sleeping super great though, maybe that's it...

but seriously, Yorick is terrible design and completely stomps a ton of characters in the most boring and skill-less way possible, but..... he's still going to lose top lane to, at the very least, Udyr, Shen and Irelia and they're some of the most popular tourney picks for that lane.


Mind elaborating exactly how him losing to those champs works? Every once in a while I have to lane against a Yorick and I can feel that patented Smash rage coming on. (Granted, my lane last night was blind pick Kennen v Yorick, I'm shit bad at Kennen, and all our lanes were losing so i got no jungle pressure.)
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 16 2012 15:44 GMT
#3605
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Umm... if this is true this is just mindblowingly stupid.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
March 16 2012 15:46 GMT
#3606
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Also, the interviewed guy is a bit shady about that, but he hints that the guy from Riot who approached them is very high on the Riot command chain. The exact wording would be "we were approached by an organizer, to be precise, the owner of Riot.." but I seriously doubt it was Guinsoo himself. Most likely the guys from M5 were abit confused.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 15:50:25
March 16 2012 15:49 GMT
#3607
On March 17 2012 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:09 Mogwai wrote:
duoing with dphat is a hugely positive influence. makes solo queue much more fun, less tilting, good times.

I haven't been sleeping super great though, maybe that's it...

but seriously, Yorick is terrible design and completely stomps a ton of characters in the most boring and skill-less way possible, but..... he's still going to lose top lane to, at the very least, Udyr, Shen and Irelia and they're some of the most popular tourney picks for that lane.


Mind elaborating exactly how him losing to those champs works? Every once in a while I have to lane against a Yorick and I can feel that patented Smash rage coming on. (Granted, my lane last night was blind pick Kennen v Yorick, I'm shit bad at Kennen, and all our lanes were losing so i got no jungle pressure.)

sure

grab 21 defensive

spec flat armor seals, flat mres glyphs, quints can be any mixup of Armor/Mres/HPregen (personally I like the MRes since I go wriggle's before wit's vs. Yorick and he still deals a ton of magic damage)

with this spec, you're just looking to ignore Yorick's harass early and either trade favorably or simply farm up to wriggle's. once you hit wriggle's, his harass is more or less completely ignorable and you can simply trade with him favorably or you can just continuing farming while zoning him off of getting last hits on ranged minions. from char to char, udyr's looking to trade early and often and just beat the bag out of Yorick while ignoring his bullshit, shen's looking to attrition and trade Yorick down, and Irelia's looking to farm up to level 7, at which point you just engage at safe points when you can activate your W, which will destroy him.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 16 2012 15:54 GMT
#3608
On March 17 2012 00:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Umm... if this is true this is just mindblowingly stupid.


You don't preserve competition by banning the best team. Back in the day CLG (before there were NA and EU branches) was head and shoulders above everyone else, including EU teams. Lo and behold that is no longer the case, and no one had to ban them to do it.

What's the motivation to improve as a team if you get banned for being the best, or if your competition gets banned?

I can't honestly believe this is true, it'd be the stupidest move ever in the history of eSports.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 16 2012 15:54 GMT
#3609
On March 17 2012 00:49 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 17 2012 00:09 Mogwai wrote:
duoing with dphat is a hugely positive influence. makes solo queue much more fun, less tilting, good times.

I haven't been sleeping super great though, maybe that's it...

but seriously, Yorick is terrible design and completely stomps a ton of characters in the most boring and skill-less way possible, but..... he's still going to lose top lane to, at the very least, Udyr, Shen and Irelia and they're some of the most popular tourney picks for that lane.


Mind elaborating exactly how him losing to those champs works? Every once in a while I have to lane against a Yorick and I can feel that patented Smash rage coming on. (Granted, my lane last night was blind pick Kennen v Yorick, I'm shit bad at Kennen, and all our lanes were losing so i got no jungle pressure.)

sure

grab 21 defensive

spec flat armor seals, flat mres glyphs, quints can be any mixup of Armor/Mres/HPregen (personally I like the MRes since I go wriggle's before wit's vs. Yorick and he still deals a ton of magic damage)

with this spec, you're just looking to ignore Yorick's harass early and either trade favorably or simply farm up to wriggle's. once you hit wriggle's, his harass is more or less completely ignorable and you can simply trade with him favorably or you can just continuing farming while zoning him off of getting last hits on ranged minions. from char to char, udyr's looking to trade early and often and just beat the bag out of Yorick while ignoring his bullshit, shen's looking to attrition and trade Yorick down, and Irelia's looking to farm up to level 7, at which point you just engage at safe points when you can activate your W, which will destroy him.

Appreciate it. I have to work on all my matchups big-time except maybe mid. I think I've gotten worse at the game over the past few months and I'm not entirely sure where I'm going wrong. Gotta start jungling again mebbe. Sucks that Trundle is considered a weaker jungler these days....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 16 2012 16:06 GMT
#3610
On March 17 2012 00:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Umm... if this is true this is just mindblowingly stupid.

I vote we create a shitshow on the riot forums.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 16 2012 16:08 GMT
#3611
On March 17 2012 01:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Umm... if this is true this is just mindblowingly stupid.

I vote we create a shitshow on the riot forums.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1921877

EU thread got closed
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 16:18:25
March 16 2012 16:15 GMT
#3612
If this is true this is an incredible blunder. Organizers should want m5 at every event because they are the face of LoL competition right now, every tournament loses credibility if they are not there. They stir the pot, cause a little drama, play a unique and entertaining style, and most importantly, win. There is nothing about them that doesn't scream 'superstar team,' excluding them from competition is such an awful decision.

This is one place where they really need to learn from SC2: invite the 'koreans'(m5) to your tournaments, promote it, make it a huge event when another team manages to beat them. Imagine the crowd reaction if CLG or Dignitas can take a bo3 from m5 at IPL?

Edit: I still think(optimistically and hopefully) that this is some kind of joke m5 said that is being taken massively out of context.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 16 2012 16:17 GMT
#3613
Why would they do this? M5 so fun to watch.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 16 2012 16:18 GMT
#3614
Apparently M5 will not participate in the next 2-3 NA tournies because either they didn't qualify, or said tournaments are NA-only from the get-go. Somebody's been suggesting that M5 asked for a wild card to get drafted into MLG, which was refused since it is NA-only, and that the "ban" is the way M5 interpreted it. Or that they're only joking about how they failed to qualify and so won't participate.
Requires clarifications, if all.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 16 2012 16:19 GMT
#3615
On March 17 2012 01:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 00:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
On March 17 2012 00:32 BluzMan wrote:
That interview is mostly useless chatter, but according to the team's manager, someone from Riot is indeed not letting M5 participate in NA events for a year. Motive is simple - preserve competition since apparently the general consensus is that M5 is a class higher than current NA teams.

Also, the source is cyberfight.ru, they are a site with a reputation, dating back to early SC:BW days.


Umm... if this is true this is just mindblowingly stupid.

I vote we create a shitshow on the riot forums.

The Riot forums are already a shitshow.
The legend of Darien lives on
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 16:23:09
March 16 2012 16:19 GMT
#3616
Ran Heimerdinger+promote/tele top, worked really well. Pushes the hell out of their lane, if someone tries to gank me I drop 2 turrets in the brush and ult pew pew them down, and have easy access to team fights due to tele.Obviously not effective for killing someone, but very good for denying them cs early-mid game and split pushing.

Edit: Regarding M5..that's a joke, right? I would think you'd want the best team in the scene at your tournament in order to promote it..
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
March 16 2012 16:19 GMT
#3617
Once the NA and EU SC2 tournies started to invite Koreans, as expected they run pretty handily. But that is what fans want, to watch the best. Also I feel makes the non-Koreans get better. They get to play against a better field without having to live in Korea.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 16 2012 16:20 GMT
#3618
On March 17 2012 01:18 Alaric wrote:
Apparently M5 will not participate in the next 2-3 NA tournies because either they didn't qualify, or said tournaments are NA-only from the get-go. Somebody's been suggesting that M5 asked for a wild card to get drafted into MLG, which was refused since it is NA-only, and that the "ban" is the way M5 interpreted it. Or that they're only joking about how they failed to qualify and so won't participate.
Requires clarifications, if all.

So wait, how come Korean SC2 players got wild card entries into MLG but the equivalently dominant LoL team didn't? Silly imo.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 16 2012 16:24 GMT
#3619
On March 17 2012 01:20 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 01:18 Alaric wrote:
Apparently M5 will not participate in the next 2-3 NA tournies because either they didn't qualify, or said tournaments are NA-only from the get-go. Somebody's been suggesting that M5 asked for a wild card to get drafted into MLG, which was refused since it is NA-only, and that the "ban" is the way M5 interpreted it. Or that they're only joking about how they failed to qualify and so won't participate.
Requires clarifications, if all.

So wait, how come Korean SC2 players got wild card entries into MLG but the equivalently dominant LoL team didn't? Silly imo.


I believe that was due to a contract MLG did with GOMTV in order to allow Korean players to come to U.S. events, and in exchange foreign players had a chance to win a Code S or Code A placing.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
March 16 2012 16:28 GMT
#3620
can anyone suggest a new hero for me? I just hit 1300 and im getting a little bored of the same old game after game, I currently play:
Jungle+Top: Shen/Mundo
AP: Annie
AD: Tristana
Support: Lux
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