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On March 17 2012 01:28 Masq wrote:
can anyone suggest a new hero for me? I just hit 1300 and im getting a little bored of the same old game after game, I currently play:
Jungle+Top: Shen/Mundo
AP: Annie
AD: Tristana
Support: Lux
Do you want heros that are fun or are you trying to improve and want to know which ones are good for that?
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On March 17 2012 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 00:09 Mogwai wrote:
duoing with dphat is a hugely positive influence. makes solo queue much more fun, less tilting, good times.
I haven't been sleeping super great though, maybe that's it...
but seriously, Yorick is terrible design and completely stomps a ton of characters in the most boring and skill-less way possible, but..... he's still going to lose top lane to, at the very least, Udyr, Shen and Irelia and they're some of the most popular tourney picks for that lane. Mind elaborating exactly how him losing to those champs works? Every once in a while I have to lane against a Yorick and I can feel that patented Smash rage coming on. (Granted, my lane last night was blind pick Kennen v Yorick, I'm shit bad at Kennen, and all our lanes were losing so i got no jungle pressure.)
Of those 3, I can only speak myself on behalf of Irelia. I love this girl because of how ridiculous she is in lane and how she only loses to about 3 champs (Udyr Nasus and Olaf, maybe Voli dunno). Now just like pretty much every lane, the first few levels are hell for her. Yorick is just going to throw ghoul after ghoul on you, and you won't trade successfully. If he does, I just back up and start attacking them. You get free health back every time he throws one out. Seriously, kill every ghoul before you even go for minions, unless its a last hit of course.
Once you grab wits end and merc treads, fights over. Dive on him and start killing his face. Ghouls can no longer overpower your lifesteal now that you're AA'ing at like 1.3. The trick is to not give him any kills and to pretty much outfarm him, which really shouldn't be a problem if you let him push and then last hit at tower. Irelia is arguably the best top for last hitting at tower.
And as a further note, pick Trundle top vs Yorick. Trundle will outsustain him pretty hard.
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On March 17 2012 01:28 Masq wrote:
can anyone suggest a new hero for me? I just hit 1300 and im getting a little bored of the same old game after game, I currently play:
Jungle+Top: Shen/Mundo
AP: Annie
AD: Tristana
Support: Lux
Dislike support lux. Damage tapers off too fast.
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On March 17 2012 03:16 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 01:28 Masq wrote:
can anyone suggest a new hero for me? I just hit 1300 and im getting a little bored of the same old game after game, I currently play:
Jungle+Top: Shen/Mundo
AP: Annie
AD: Tristana
Support: Lux Do you want heros that are fun or are you trying to improve and want to know which ones are good for that?
Entirely personal opinion of personal favorite (by 'fun') and viable picks:
Mid - Morde. Es #1, always huehuehue never die
Top - Rumble. Bullying top too much fun, and if you're behind you still aren't useless.
Bot - Ali. Janna seems a bit better, but I'm having a lot more fun as cow, and with flash often gets you hilarious kills in bot lane (at ~1200, anyway).
Irelia top is cool too, but I just enjoy being an asshole too much.
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Everyone's going to give different recommendations based on what they think is the most fun, but imo the most important thing is to always have a safe pick in each role. For example, Tristana is the only AD carry I'm comfortable with, so I get screwed when I have to play AD carry and the opposing team picks Tristana before it's my turn to pick. You also want to have enough options that you aren't forced into an unfavorable matchup (i.e. what will you do if opposing team picks Kassadin and you're supposed to play mid?). I don't know Annie matchups well enough to suggest someone that would complement her well, though.
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On March 17 2012 03:33 danana wrote:
Everyone's going to give different recommendations based on what they think is the most fun, but imo the most important thing is to always have a safe pick in each role. For example, Tristana is the only AD carry I'm comfortable with, so I get screwed when I have to play AD carry and the opposing team picks Tristana before it's my turn to pick. You also want to have enough options that you aren't forced into an unfavorable matchup (i.e. what will you do if opposing team picks Kassadin and you're supposed to play mid?). I don't know Annie matchups well enough to suggest someone that would complement her well, though.
I would recommend the opposite.
If you're going to play the game to try as hard as you can to win instead of playing a bunch heros you find enjoyable (not that tryharding isn't fun, but it's a different kind of fun), you would be much better off only playing one role. Heck, ideally you would only play one champion, as wanting to be good at everything is just a lost cause.
In solo queue, your elo is representative of your skill playing your best champion (assuming it's something you can almost always pick), so you really don't need to learn more than one.
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On March 17 2012 03:45 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 03:33 danana wrote:
Everyone's going to give different recommendations based on what they think is the most fun, but imo the most important thing is to always have a safe pick in each role. For example, Tristana is the only AD carry I'm comfortable with, so I get screwed when I have to play AD carry and the opposing team picks Tristana before it's my turn to pick. You also want to have enough options that you aren't forced into an unfavorable matchup (i.e. what will you do if opposing team picks Kassadin and you're supposed to play mid?). I don't know Annie matchups well enough to suggest someone that would complement her well, though. I would recommend the opposite. If you're going to play the game to try as hard as you can to win instead of playing a bunch heros you find enjoyable (not that tryharding isn't fun, but it's a different kind of fun), you would be much better off only playing one role. Heck, ideally you would only play one champion, as wanting to be good at everything is just a lost cause. In solo queue, your elo is representative of your skill playing your best champion (assuming it's something you can almost always pick), so you really don't need to learn more than one.
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you.
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That SV video was as good as advertised and then some.
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On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 03:45 Qualm wrote:On March 17 2012 03:33 danana wrote:
Everyone's going to give different recommendations based on what they think is the most fun, but imo the most important thing is to always have a safe pick in each role. For example, Tristana is the only AD carry I'm comfortable with, so I get screwed when I have to play AD carry and the opposing team picks Tristana before it's my turn to pick. You also want to have enough options that you aren't forced into an unfavorable matchup (i.e. what will you do if opposing team picks Kassadin and you're supposed to play mid?). I don't know Annie matchups well enough to suggest someone that would complement her well, though. I would recommend the opposite. If you're going to play the game to try as hard as you can to win instead of playing a bunch heros you find enjoyable (not that tryharding isn't fun, but it's a different kind of fun), you would be much better off only playing one role. Heck, ideally you would only play one champion, as wanting to be good at everything is just a lost cause. In solo queue, your elo is representative of your skill playing your best champion (assuming it's something you can almost always pick), so you really don't need to learn more than one. If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ? Example You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you.
When is the last time you've seen Wukong banned?
Or Corki? Or Caitlyn? Or Malzahar? Or Riven? Or Nautilus?
As long as your smart with what champion you chose to main and as long as you can half-ass your way though playing another hero (say, a support), then you are good to go for solo queue.
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On March 17 2012 03:57 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 17 2012 03:45 Qualm wrote:On March 17 2012 03:33 danana wrote:
Everyone's going to give different recommendations based on what they think is the most fun, but imo the most important thing is to always have a safe pick in each role. For example, Tristana is the only AD carry I'm comfortable with, so I get screwed when I have to play AD carry and the opposing team picks Tristana before it's my turn to pick. You also want to have enough options that you aren't forced into an unfavorable matchup (i.e. what will you do if opposing team picks Kassadin and you're supposed to play mid?). I don't know Annie matchups well enough to suggest someone that would complement her well, though. I would recommend the opposite. If you're going to play the game to try as hard as you can to win instead of playing a bunch heros you find enjoyable (not that tryharding isn't fun, but it's a different kind of fun), you would be much better off only playing one role. Heck, ideally you would only play one champion, as wanting to be good at everything is just a lost cause. In solo queue, your elo is representative of your skill playing your best champion (assuming it's something you can almost always pick), so you really don't need to learn more than one. If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ? Example You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you. When is the last time you've seen Wukong banned? Or Corki? Or Caitlyn? Or Malzahar? Or Riven? Or Nautilus? As long as your smart with what champion you chose to main and as long as you can half-ass your way though playing another hero (say, a support), then you are good to go for solo queue.
There are going to be situations where someone else on your team wants to take solo top and you have to accomodate for that, so at the bare minimum you need to know 2 roles and maybe 4 champs. But this game is rather simple so that really shouldnt be a problem, the real difficulty in this game comes from playing as a team and working with your allies rather than calling them out for every single thing. In my experience it helps to not say anything at all where you would say something malicious and to speak up when you are impressed, this doesn't mean don't communicate just don't do it in a way that is going to offend anyone. Keep it to yourself and the team will have a better disposition towards you.
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On March 17 2012 01:51 JackDino wrote:
Nothign wrong with support lux, good kill potential, good brush control, good way to stop agression(bind hits 2 targets!). Actually does quite some damage without items because of her passive.
i hate support lux for the same reason I hate support zilean. they both do much better with solo lane farm/exp and they both have a tendency to push the lane/steal farm.
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Lol, on the Heartowin Cup stream, whoever input the name for teams put Absolute Legends as Aboslut Legends XD
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On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you.
Empirically, the sheer number of one-champ wonders that everyone knows about from high Elo streams speaks volumes about how effective being a one-champ wonder is in solo queue.
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Specializing in one role works to a point. Eventually you WILL hit a wall where a general lack of understanding will make it impossible for you to advance farther.
You cant be someone who plays just Annie, or purely solo mid with various champions, and expect to hit 2k and actually stay there. You need to understand how every other role in the game works. And if you cant play a role, its because you dont know how it works. Eventually this WILL start to work against you and hold you back.
For example, if I am jungling, I need to know how every single lane will behave. If I dont know, I wont be able to predict where I need to gank, the fights I can sucessfully take, and when I need to start presuring map objectives. If I am support, I need to know how my ad carry is going to react to what I do and how I am supposed to react to their actions. If I dont know these things, it will cost me games.
The best way to learn all of that stuff is to simply play other roles. LoL lore is rife with people who got to high elo by playing a single champion but were TERRIBLE, and they quickly faded. Caseynelson, Doublelift, 3xecutioner, ect. If you want to win solo q, be able to play every role.
On March 17 2012 04:07 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you. Empirically, the sheer number of one-champ wonders that everyone knows about from high Elo streams speaks volumes about how effective being a one-champ wonder is in solo queue.
Yep. But most of them are terrible. Do you want to be good, or do you want a high rating. There is a difference.
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On March 17 2012 04:12 Two_DoWn wrote:Specializing in one role works to a point. Eventually you WILL hit a wall where a general lack of understanding will make it impossible for you to advance farther. You cant be someone who plays just Annie, or purely solo mid with various champions, and expect to hit 2k and actually stay there. You need to understand how every other role in the game works. And if you cant play a role, its because you dont know how it works. Eventually this WILL start to work against you and hold you back. For example, if I am jungling, I need to know how every single lane will behave. If I dont know, I wont be able to predict where I need to gank, the fights I can sucessfully take, and when I need to start presuring map objectives. If I am support, I need to know how my ad carry is going to react to what I do and how I am supposed to react to their actions. If I dont know these things, it will cost me games. The best way to learn all of that stuff is to simply play other roles. LoL lore is rife with people who got to high elo by playing a single champion but were TERRIBLE, and they quickly faded. Caseynelson, Doublelift, 3xecutioner, ect. If you want to win solo q, be able to play every role. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 04:07 TheYango wrote:On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you. Empirically, the sheer number of one-champ wonders that everyone knows about from high Elo streams speaks volumes about how effective being a one-champ wonder is in solo queue. Yep. But most of them are terrible. Do you want to be good, or do you want a high rating. There is a difference.
caseynelson was just bad
doublelift is now on CLG, so that should say something
3xecutioner did get better at his other roles by playing at that level imo
i think being a 1 trick pony is fine, because you will learn about all the other roles and champions by watching the game - i think by simply watching a high elo player on stream play a given champion you can start to get a feel for the nuances of the given champ and their relative power curve, and ofc if you prefer to play the game playing at a higher elo will on average let you see better gameplay
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On March 17 2012 04:12 Two_DoWn wrote:Specializing in one role works to a point. Eventually you WILL hit a wall where a general lack of understanding will make it impossible for you to advance farther. You cant be someone who plays just Annie, or purely solo mid with various champions, and expect to hit 2k and actually stay there. You need to understand how every other role in the game works. And if you cant play a role, its because you dont know how it works. Eventually this WILL start to work against you and hold you back. For example, if I am jungling, I need to know how every single lane will behave. If I dont know, I wont be able to predict where I need to gank, the fights I can sucessfully take, and when I need to start presuring map objectives. If I am support, I need to know how my ad carry is going to react to what I do and how I am supposed to react to their actions. If I dont know these things, it will cost me games. The best way to learn all of that stuff is to simply play other roles. LoL lore is rife with people who got to high elo by playing a single champion but were TERRIBLE, and they quickly faded. Caseynelson, Doublelift, 3xecutioner, ect. If you want to win solo q, be able to play every role. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 04:07 TheYango wrote:On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you. Empirically, the sheer number of one-champ wonders that everyone knows about from high Elo streams speaks volumes about how effective being a one-champ wonder is in solo queue. Yep. But most of them are terrible. Do you want to be good, or do you want a high rating. There is a difference.
I'd imagine that they also still have a decent understanding of other roles. I know for a fact that Spamhappy/Zekent doesn't just play Poppy. The guy is a support main who decided to make a troll account that only plays Poppy to see how high he could get. He then found out that poppy is actually really strong and got 2k elo. I know the guy irl.
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On March 17 2012 04:12 Two_DoWn wrote:Specializing in one role works to a point. Eventually you WILL hit a wall where a general lack of understanding will make it impossible for you to advance farther. You cant be someone who plays just Annie, or purely solo mid with various champions, and expect to hit 2k and actually stay there. You need to understand how every other role in the game works. And if you cant play a role, its because you dont know how it works. Eventually this WILL start to work against you and hold you back. For example, if I am jungling, I need to know how every single lane will behave. If I dont know, I wont be able to predict where I need to gank, the fights I can sucessfully take, and when I need to start presuring map objectives. If I am support, I need to know how my ad carry is going to react to what I do and how I am supposed to react to their actions. If I dont know these things, it will cost me games. The best way to learn all of that stuff is to simply play other roles. LoL lore is rife with people who got to high elo by playing a single champion but were TERRIBLE, and they quickly faded. Caseynelson, Doublelift, 3xecutioner, ect. If you want to win solo q, be able to play every role. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 04:07 TheYango wrote:On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you. Empirically, the sheer number of one-champ wonders that everyone knows about from high Elo streams speaks volumes about how effective being a one-champ wonder is in solo queue. Yep. But most of them are terrible. Do you want to be good, or do you want a high rating. There is a difference.
Doublelift - top player
Hotshot - top player
Jatt - ex top player
Westrice - top player
Dyrus - okay he played 2 champions
A very big amount of top players played mostly the same champion or same champions to originally get to high elo.
Being a "one champ wonder" as in being a say 2.4k rated player on only one champ, is a damn sight better than being a 1400 player. This one champ wonder may be "terrible" to more versatile and experienced 2.4k players but he's better than 99.99% of the LoL community and can play any champ at probably 2k+ level.
It's like Flash and savior and other people are known for having very strong off races and practiced them to better understand the matchups, however, they got to the top by playing only 1 race and just use playing offraces to further increase their understanding. There is no top sc players since testie who played all 3 races and got to a top level with them. People DID get to top level race switching, though. (julyzerg)
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On March 17 2012 04:16 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 04:12 Two_DoWn wrote:Specializing in one role works to a point. Eventually you WILL hit a wall where a general lack of understanding will make it impossible for you to advance farther. You cant be someone who plays just Annie, or purely solo mid with various champions, and expect to hit 2k and actually stay there. You need to understand how every other role in the game works. And if you cant play a role, its because you dont know how it works. Eventually this WILL start to work against you and hold you back. For example, if I am jungling, I need to know how every single lane will behave. If I dont know, I wont be able to predict where I need to gank, the fights I can sucessfully take, and when I need to start presuring map objectives. If I am support, I need to know how my ad carry is going to react to what I do and how I am supposed to react to their actions. If I dont know these things, it will cost me games. The best way to learn all of that stuff is to simply play other roles. LoL lore is rife with people who got to high elo by playing a single champion but were TERRIBLE, and they quickly faded. Caseynelson, Doublelift, 3xecutioner, ect. If you want to win solo q, be able to play every role. On March 17 2012 04:07 TheYango wrote:On March 17 2012 03:48 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you want to try as hard as you can you should play ALL the champions of a certain role. If you are only good at one and it gets banned, what will you do ?
Example
You are really good with Wukong in top lane but it gets banned. Now you are forced to pick another champ, but you suck hardcore because you either never played it or you played only few games with it. The opponent is proably going to destroy you. Empirically, the sheer number of one-champ wonders that everyone knows about from high Elo streams speaks volumes about how effective being a one-champ wonder is in solo queue. Yep. But most of them are terrible. Do you want to be good, or do you want a high rating. There is a difference. caseynelson was just bad doublelift is now on CLG, so that should say something 3xecutioner did get better at his other roles by playing at that level imo i think being a 1 trick pony is fine, because you will learn about all the other roles and champions by watching the game - i think by simply watching a high elo player on stream play a given champion you can start to get a feel for the nuances of the given champ and their relative power curve, and ofc if you prefer to play the game playing at a higher elo will on average let you see better gameplay
I was refering more to the Dlift who got kicked from CLG because he couldnt get to lane without dying. Big difference between that double and the one who learned AD carry and joined CLG again. Not summuch on the not being an idiot part, but whatever.
In fact, a lot of the people you guys are mentioning DID go through stages where people were bashing them for having limited champion pools and having a huge disparity between their best champions and everyone else.
And ya, you can expect a 2k player who only plays a single champion to be better than a player who plays all 5 roles at 1400. But my argument would be that a 2k player will probably be able to play every other role at about 1800, or else they wouldnt have been able to get up to 2k in the first place.
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Honestly, just learn 2 champs for each role.
Thats how I started. From there, just add in more champions when you have a deeper understanding.
AD carrys aren't even an issue anymore. Even in tourney play, you rarely see them banned. That, and there are plenty of junglers/tops that are worthy of bans instead.
Speaking of AD carrys, I have been having a problem with Graves.
How in the hell is it fair that he gets nothing but AD scaling? Pretty unfair to champs like Corki Ez and Kog'Maw.
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On March 17 2012 03:57 Qualm wrote:
When is the last time you've seen Wukong banned?
Or Corki? Or Caitlyn? Or Malzahar? Or Riven? Or Nautilus?
As long as your smart with what champion you chose to main and as long as you can half-ass your way though playing another hero (say, a support), then you are good to go for solo queue.
Unequivocally irrelevant. If you can only play one champ in one role, all you need is someone else who picks it, someone who bans it, or someone who picks a hard counter to it for you to lose the game. Being able to play a number of champions per role well directly translates into overall player ability.
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