EPTNothing wrong with that at all imo.
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
Nothing wrong with that at all imo. | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:12 Two_DoWn wrote: Specializing in one role works to a point. Eventually you WILL hit a wall where a general lack of understanding will make it impossible for you to advance farther. You cant be someone who plays just Annie, or purely solo mid with various champions, and expect to hit 2k and actually stay there. You need to understand how every other role in the game works. And if you cant play a role, its because you dont know how it works. Eventually this WILL start to work against you and hold you back. I hit 2.2k in season 1 despite pretty much only being able to play Mordekaiser decently at that point... and pretty much never dropped under 2k. The problem with trying to learn a lot of different things is that unlike what you say there is a difference between understanding a role and being able to play it. Mechanics in LoL are fairly straightforward, however if you don't have them mastered to the point where you don't need to think about them you are incredibly disadvantaged compared to players who do. It's very difficult to try and learn to play the game at all when you constantly have to think about things other than strategy. When you have to wonder about how to last with with this particular hero and his animation, what skills you need to max first, what build you should go, how to combo your skills, who to focus in teamfights, how to position yourself, where to ward if you are top lane, and so on you simply can't be keeping track of where the jungler are or thinking about when to go heal based on the timer on both team's blue buffs, for example. Playing different heros a few times helps in terms of increasing your knowledge about the game. But wanting to actually be able to play different roles well is simply a waste of time. You wouldn't recommend a new Starcraft player to try and learn at least a few different builds for every race if he wants to get good. You are much better off learning a standard build for 1 race and doing that build over and over even if you sometimes are disadvantaged because you get countered. The same applies for LoL. On March 17 2012 04:12 Two_DoWn wrote: Yep. But most of them are terrible. Do you want to be good, or do you want a high rating. There is a difference. Nearly every high elo player first got there by learning a single hero. Learning more is only useful in 5s play where picks are coordinated, but focusing on one is the best way to improve, which is what we arguing about (or were arguing about initially). | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
Saint: Yes. OGN: "Come here" Saint: Okay OGN: "Go away" Saint: That's mean! OGN: "Give me blue" Saint: No, I don't understand. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:30 dnastyx wrote: Loco: Do you understand what he's saying? Saint: Yes. OGN: "Come here" Saint: Okay OGN: "Go away" Saint: That's mean! OGN: "Give me blue" Saint: No, I don't understand. LOL. Well lots of junglers dont understand what "give me blue" means -_____- | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:24 Qualm wrote: I hit 2.2k in season 1 despite pretty much only being able to play Mordekaiser decently at that point... and pretty much never dropped under 2k. The problem with trying to learn a lot of different things is that unlike what you say there is a difference between understanding a role and being able to play it. Mechanics in LoL are fairly straightforward, however if you don't have them mastered to the point where you don't need to think about them you are incredibly disadvantaged compared to players who do. It's very difficult to try and learn to play the game at all when you constantly have to think about things other than strategy. When you have to wonder about how to last with with this particular hero and his animation, what skills you need to max first, what build you should go, how to combo your skills, who to focus in teamfights, how to position yourself, where to ward if you are top lane, and so on you simply can't be keeping track of where the jungler are or thinking about when to go heal based on the timer on both team's blue buffs, for example. Playing different heros a few times helps in terms of increasing your knowledge about the game. But wanting to actually be able to play different roles well is simply a waste of time. You wouldn't recommend a new Starcraft player to try and learn at least a few different builds for every race if he wants to get good. You are much better off learning a standard build for 1 race and doing that build over and over even if you sometimes are disadvantaged because you get countered. The same applies for LoL. Nearly every high elo player first got there by learning a single hero. Learning more is only useful in 5s play where picks are coordinated, but focusing on one is the best way to improve, which is what we arguing about (or were arguing about initially). I would love to master one champ, but how do you do this without ending up in retarded team comp games? I always end up having to fill in the roles that other people can't play. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:36 CeriseCherries wrote: LOL. Well lots of junglers dont understand what "give me blue" means -_____- Most mids don't understand that the blue is the jungler's, and that he merely agrees to lose exp and gold to pass it to them. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:46 Alaric wrote: Most mids don't understand that the blue is the jungler's, and that he merely agrees to lose exp and gold to pass it to them. Well now that's just crazy talk. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:46 Alaric wrote: Most mids don't understand that the blue is the jungler's, and that he merely agrees to lose exp and gold to pass it to them. *claps* | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
2nd blue, if the other jungler refuses can be a bigger advantage than fb. | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:46 Alaric wrote: Most mids don't understand that the blue is the jungler's, and that he merely agrees to lose exp and gold to pass it to them. Except that a mid that doesn't get 2nd blue pretty much loses lane unless he gets all the ganks... If you want to give the jungler blue then that's fine but you need a middle lane that's manaless. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Not at all. The jungler controls the jungle, this why he carries smite. If giving the blue to the mid laner won't achieve anything, you shouldn't give him. EDIT : On March 17 2012 04:49 Qualm wrote: Except that a mid that doesn't get 2nd blue pretty much loses lane unless he gets all the ganks... If you want to give the jungler blue then that's fine but you need a middle lane that's manaless. Plenty of laners don't need blue at all if they go 2 Drings or Cata. Morgana, Annie, Swain, Karthus, and ofc all the manaless champs. Even Cassio can do very well without blue since QW clears very fast, she can afford to back between waves. Most of those champs need blue LATE GAME though, but that's something else. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I definitely consider the bluebuff the mid's unless I'm thinking that they're just going to repeatedly feed it to the enemy team, in that case I won't give them in order to protect my team from playing vs someone with permablue. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:50 mr_tolkien wrote: Not at all. The jungler controls the jungle, this why he carries smite. If giving the blue to the mid laner won't achieve anything, you shouldn't give him. Sorry, forgot to use my sarcasm font. With the way mid lane works, though, if one has blue and the other doesn't, the one with blue has an EXTREMELY large advantage. It can lead into very simple zoning and kills simply because the mage with blue can spam their moves with far less worry of repercussion (ie, going oom). This is especially prevalent around the 8 min mark (with 2nd blue) because of how much power spells have at that point. On March 17 2012 04:50 mr_tolkien wrote: Plenty of laners don't need blue at all if they go 2 Drings or Cata. Morgana, Annie, Swain, Karthus, and ofc all the manaless champs. Even Cassio can do very well without blue since QW clears very fast, she can afford to back between waves. Most of those champs need blue LATE GAME though, but that's something else. When you don't have blue, you have to just deal with it. You can't be proactive, you have to play safer and more reserved. With blue, you can be far more aggressive and make things happen. Map control becomes extremely important around the time of 2nd and 3rd blues, and if your mid doesn't have it, then you're putting your team at a huge disadvantage for trying to gain that map control. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
When you get a blue buff, you should be pushing your lane and going around the map. If you just spam spells and sit there looking pretty, all you do is let your lane opponent farm without fear of ganks. If you just want blue because it makes your life easy cuz you can use spells to last hit, you shouldnt have it. The clearing power difference between a jungler without blue and one with blue is greater than the difference for a mid (who typically already has a larger mana pool and greater mana regen). So mid needs to be active with the buff to truly make up the difference. | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:50 mr_tolkien wrote: Not at all. The jungler controls the jungle, this why he carries smite. If giving the blue to the mid laner won't achieve anything, you shouldn't give him. EDIT : Plenty of laners don't need blue at all if they go 2 Drings or Cata. Morgana, Annie, Swain, Karthus, and ofc all the manaless champs. Even Cassio can do very well without blue since QW clears very fast, she can afford to back between waves. Most of those champs need blue LATE GAME though, but that's something else. Annie I agree, Morg risks getting run over unless she goes RoA (which isn't optimal at all on her), Swain loses to other sustain heros without blue, Karthus can do ok. Q max Cassio can do alright but E max Cassio really goes oom too quickly without blue. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Stop being stuck in such closed mindsets. It's not either jungle or mid. Rule of thumb, sure. But nothing more than that. | ||
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ManyCookies
1164 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:50 mr_tolkien wrote: Plenty of laners don't need blue at all if they go 2 Drings or Cata. Morgana, Annie, Swain, Karthus, and ofc all the manaless champs. Even Cassio can do very well without blue since QW clears very fast, she can afford to back between waves. Most of those champs need blue LATE GAME though, but that's something else. But that's an investment they may or may not want to actually make. And not to nitpick, but Swain really, really likes his Blue post-6. I'd say he's more scary with it than Cass. Sure, he can manage in lane with a Catalyst, but he needs to manage his agression and stagger trades between intervals of last hitting minions for mana. A Swain with Blue, however, can just constantly trade (and pretty much always win said trade) non-stop. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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