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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:08 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Seems everyone just likes the harry potter hat :/ I never considered trying lichbane first on anyone until yesterday and I loved it on ziggs. That would be foregoing his range. Fucker is so safe while Qing you. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:12 Alaric wrote: That would be foregoing his range. Fucker is so safe while Qing you. That's why I bought him. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
boot + 3 pot > sheen ? | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:23 Erasme wrote: So now that I think about it, against Kass as Orianna, if you plan to shield into aa him, would sheen be a good first item ? boot + 3 pot > sheen ? by the time you get sheen, your auto attacks will be doing nothing on him.. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Did they mean max shield first, or take shield at level 1 to absorb his Q? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:08 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: So I've been wondering about whether any item would be better on certain champions than deathcap as a first item. I mean of course if you put your masteries and runes around it. Maybe void staff would be better on an AoE sustained damage type champion like karthus since you are hitting a lot of higher MR champions. Then if you're a bursty champion perhaps dfg would be better (we had a discussion on dcap vs dfg on the sion thread? and it never really resolved). If you have an AoE initiate you get zhonyas (fiddles, morg, kennen). And finally if you have a lot of sustained damage and a low cooldown on one of your abilities maybe you can maximize your dps with lichbane since it might be essentially adding 1.0 to the ap ratio of a 2 second cooldown ability (ziggs has a 3 second cd bomb). Seems everyone just likes the harry potter hat :/ I never considered trying lichbane first on anyone until yesterday and I loved it on ziggs. On kennen and Morg I always go zhonyas first or sometimes after RoA on Morgana. I dont think Void Staff would ever be a good first item. I get it second on a lot of champs tho. Brand and Lux for instance. On sion I thought triple dorans mobility boots DFG was a common build. I love lichbane on Lux. Been playing Lux alot lately...been watching Chu8 too much | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:16 Two_DoWn wrote: Lich is a bad first item because you need another source of ap to justify upgrading sheen. Lich on its own doesnt have enough ap. For someone who calls others sheep a lot you sure are dismissive. What if you did lichbane on cassio? After a few twin fangs you do an auto attack. Bam 1.0 AP (80 from lichbane) gets added. It's also cheaper and provides some mana, movespeed, and MR. I don't think any of those stats are bad. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 26 2012 07:11 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: For someone who calls others sheep a lot you sure are dismissive. What if you did lichbane on cassio? After a few twin fangs you do an auto attack. Bam 1.0 AP (80 from lichbane) gets added. It's also cheaper and provides some mana, movespeed, and MR. I don't think any of those stats are bad. Your AP doesn't exceed your base attack damage until you have like 120 AP. Which means you need 40ish outside AP for the Lichbane proc to even break even with Sheen. Given that you're also paying a bunch for the Lichbane upgrade (about 500 gold of the Lichbane recipe is spent on upgrading the proc), practically speaking you need at least something like 150-200ish outside AP for it to be cost-effective. Which means even for someone who has good skills for using and proccing Sheen, actually buying the Lichbane recipe probably won't be worthwhile until after another AP item (usually Deathcap). The problem isn't that Lichbane procs are bad. The problem is that Lichbane is actually a downgrade from Sheen in terms of proc damage if you buy it too early. Your Cassio scenario is also ignoring the fact that she can cast all her spells safely at 700 range, but would need to move in to 550 range to autoattack for Lichbane procs. | ||
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Matsumoto
Germany493 Posts
i was just wandering why jungle cho gath isnt considered as an valid option in higher elo? in my opinion he has a solid gank potential with his q and w and he has basicly a free smite and his clear time is not that awful so why is he considered bad as a jungler? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i'd like to borrow an extremely low elo account for a little bit want to make some videos and replays of extremely low elo play if anyone has an account with en elo lower than 800 that would let me borrow it, please PM me. i can buy you some RP or get you elo or something for letting me borrow it tyvm! | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On February 26 2012 06:31 Alaric wrote: I have no idea if maxing shield 1st is viable. I saw Alex Ich destroy a Vlad top by doing this and making him eat auto-attacks everytime he tried to last hit before Q had a short cooldown, and since I considered using that + her passive before I decided to try it even though I thought he messed around. Did they mean max shield first, or take shield at level 1 to absorb his Q? Taking shield first works vs weak earlygame laners (kass, vlad, etc) since you can block their spell damage and gain more armor/MR. Then your autos hit really hard and you consistently harass them. But, I still think maxing e first is better. Mages generally are strong midgame, and you'd be giving up a lot of your midgame burst by maxing e first. Although, granted I never actually MAXED e first, so that part is purely theorycraft. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 26 2012 07:15 TheYango wrote: Your AP doesn't exceed your base attack damage until you have like 120 AP. Which means you need 40ish outside AP for the Lichbane proc to even break even with Sheen. Given that you're also paying a bunch for the Lichbane upgrade (about 500 gold of the Lichbane recipe is spent on upgrading the proc), practically speaking you need at least something like 150-200ish outside AP for it to be cost-effective. Which means even for someone who has good skills for using and proccing Sheen, actually buying the Lichbane recipe probably won't be worthwhile until after another AP item (usually Deathcap). The problem isn't that Lichbane procs are bad. The problem is that Lichbane is actually a downgrade from Sheen in terms of proc damage if you buy it too early. Your Cassio scenario is also ignoring the fact that she can cast all her spells safely at 700 range, but would need to move in to 550 range to autoattack for Lichbane procs. Well I don't think you need 120 AP to break even. At level 18 cass's base attack damage is 104.6 (47+3.2*18) and that's regardless of runes, masteries or items. 2 DRings and a lichbane provide 110 AP and you'll have more by 18. I guess the range is an issue though. Wasn't aware her range was that high. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 26 2012 07:15 TheYango wrote: Your AP doesn't exceed your base attack damage until you have like 120 AP. Which means you need 40ish outside AP for the Lichbane proc to even break even with Sheen. Given that you're also paying a bunch for the Lichbane upgrade (about 500 gold of the Lichbane recipe is spent on upgrading the proc), practically speaking you need at least something like 150-200ish outside AP for it to be cost-effective. Which means even for someone who has good skills for using and proccing Sheen, actually buying the Lichbane recipe probably won't be worthwhile until after another AP item (usually Deathcap). The problem isn't that Lichbane procs are bad. The problem is that Lichbane is actually a downgrade from Sheen in terms of proc damage if you buy it too early. Your Cassio scenario is also ignoring the fact that she can cast all her spells safely at 700 range, but would need to move in to 550 range to autoattack for Lichbane procs. Ya I never said lich was bad. Just that rushing it was. Had you suggested running sheen into dcap I would have liked the idea as an option. Im all for expirimentation. That doesnt mean that I will let stuff that acually isnt that great slide. The point of posting crazy shit is to see if anyone can figure out why it doesnt work. In this case, its for the reasons yango laid out. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 26 2012 07:28 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Well I don't think you need 120 AP to break even. At level 18 cass's base attack damage is 104.6 (47+3.2*18) and that's regardless of runes, masteries or items. 2 DRings and a lichbane provide 110 AP and you'll have more by 18. I guess the range is an issue though. Wasn't aware her range was that high. I mean, even then, you still need 100-150 outside AP for it to be worth it. With only 100 total AP, you're tying up 950 gold to finish Lichbane to get a proc that's exactly the same. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Also, just had this thought occur to me, what if they added the cloth armor aspect back to HoG? It only got removed because HoG stacking was so effective since you got both health and armor from it but after the armor removal people just started stacking philostones. Would a HoG with armor be balanced now since you can't just stack them like you used to be able to? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
I was Teemo top vs AP Sion. At around level 12ish I had Berserker's, Wits and Wriggles and he had Tear (what?), Tabi and Revolver. I figured I could beat him handily, so I went for the kill. I popped every shield before he could detonate and blinded him when he ulted. I led him across Mushrooms and overally just felt like I did everything I could, but he still beat me. Did he just get really lucky procs on his passive or what? I was rather confused about the whole ordeal. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On February 26 2012 07:24 gtrsrs wrote: attn all low elo players i'd like to borrow an extremely low elo account for a little bit want to make some videos and replays of extremely low elo play if anyone has an account with en elo lower than 800 that would let me borrow it, please PM me. i can buy you some RP or get you elo or something for letting me borrow it tyvm! Lol extremely low elo below 800 ELO. if my friends read this they would cry  | ||
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