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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 20:07:09
February 25 2012 20:05 GMT
#2921
This conversation is stupid. People should learn the difference between verbs and nouns. "Dude I just carried that last game as Irelia" is not the same as "Irelia is totally a carry champion." Especially since we already have the term 'bruiser' to describe champions like Irelia. It sucks that we define AD carries and AP carries with a word that can also be applied to any champion in the game because literally anyone can "carry" but good luck trying to convince everyone to just call APs mages or to just call AD carries ranged DPS.

edit:
I think that Orianna should definitely be able to zone Kassadin pre-6. Your ball outranges Kass Q iirc.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 20:10:57
February 25 2012 20:10 GMT
#2922

On February 26 2012 05:02 Erasme wrote:
As I guess there are more people playing Kassadin than Orianna I post his in gd, can you zone out this creepy dude before he hit 6 ?


Just grab shield at level 1 and autoattack him ,_,
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 25 2012 20:14 GMT
#2923
I blame Riot for this terminology mess. There's no practical gain in re-branding the word "carry" to mean something different than it did in DotA (I'd be all for it if there were). All it does is confuse the shit out of people.
Moderator
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2012 20:17 GMT
#2924
It's like saying that "bruiser" and "carry" are exclusive, which just is not the case. Just like "ranged AD" and "carry" isn't exclusive. The first one is a description of what they do or basically their "class", whereas "support" "carry" "ganker" etc. are the roles.

Carry is basically a champion who gets better with more items and can effectively carry a team, I wouldn't count cass as a carry(semicarry imo), nor Malphite(initiator), but I would definitely count irelia as a carry because she can basically 1v5 after getting ahead/fed. Ranged DPS I'd call all of them carries except Caitlyn and Kennen, who I'd call semicarries.

Tryndamere I count a carry, the old Jax as well. Current one I'm not sure about.

Nocturne is a ganker, amumu is an initiator(only secondarily a tank).


This also is just the primary role. On some champions, you can actually choose your role up to a certain extent. For instance you can play a Skarner in jungle with Shurelyas as a supportive initiator, or go toplane and go with Trinity Force to become a tanky sustained DPS. You can play taric as botlane support, or solo mid with him and become an aggressive ganker. You can even build DPS with Taric and become a melee DPS. Even though this isn't optimal, this is still going to be the role you have.

To be honest, you shouldn't call specific champions carries. You should only call combinations of builds/playstyles and champions carries.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 25 2012 20:21 GMT
#2925
hahaha, solomid ap taric. the answer to the age-old question, "what if Sion was beautiful"
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 25 2012 20:23 GMT
#2926
On February 26 2012 05:10 Juicyfruit wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 05:02 Erasme wrote:
As I guess there are more people playing Kassadin than Orianna I post his in gd, can you zone out this creepy dude before he hit 6 ?


Just grab shield at level 1 and autoattack him ,_,

Oooh. Wonderful idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 20:25:54
February 25 2012 20:23 GMT
#2927
And actually, once I got a solo taric as teamate and he raped fizz.
Gah, clicked quote instead of edit TT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 20:47:33
February 25 2012 20:27 GMT
#2928
On February 26 2012 05:10 Juicyfruit wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 05:02 Erasme wrote:
As I guess there are more people playing Kassadin than Orianna I post his in gd, can you zone out this creepy dude before he hit 6 ?


Just grab shield at level 1 and autoattack him ,_,


It's hilarious how effective it is. When I pick Orianna in normals I just max shield first for kicks and stuff. I lack damage after the laning phase and until I start maxing the other 2, but it's fun to just run at somebody, shield yourself to compensate for their nuke and then start trucking them with AAs.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#2929
On February 26 2012 03:55 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 03:03 Shikyo wrote:
Just a quick question to the mechanics pros:

Does Yorick's ulti image use armor penetration of:

1. Yorick himself

2. The person Yorick ults

3. Has zero armor pen always


And a second question: When solo top vs Nocturne jungle, is it enough to ward either the baron spot or the tribrush depending on the side you're on, or is his range long enough to bypass that and you need to ward differently?


All Yorick's ghouls and clones have a percentage of his stats, armor pen, and hp.


I don't think this is correct in the case where Yorick ults someone else. In that case the clone should have the stats of the person ulted.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
February 25 2012 20:35 GMT
#2930
(Active): Yorick conjures a revenant in the image of one of his allies that will have a percentage of their max health and attack damage. The revenant lasts for up to 10 seconds. If his ally dies while its revenant is alive, the revenant sacrifices itself to reanimate them temporarily by restoring them to full health and give them time to enact vengeance. The reanimation will last for up to 10 seconds. During this time, the ally can use all of his abilities.

Health Percentage: 50% / 75% / 100%
Damage Percentage: 45% / 60% / 75%

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Yorick_the_Gravedigger

Seems pretty clear that it uses the target's stats.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
February 25 2012 20:35 GMT
#2931
On February 26 2012 05:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahaha, solomid ap taric. the answer to the age-old question, "what if Sion was beautiful"

aspd/cdr/tank taric on dominion
super legit i kid you not, you can 1v1 xin when he's full hp
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 25 2012 20:36 GMT
#2932
On February 26 2012 05:27 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 05:10 Juicyfruit wrote:

On February 26 2012 05:02 Erasme wrote:
As I guess there are more people playing Kassadin than Orianna I post his in gd, can you zone out this creepy dude before he hit 6 ?


Just grab shield at level 1 and autoattack him ,_,


It's hilarious how effective it is. When I pick Irelia in normals I just max shield first for kicks and stuff. I lack damage after the laning phase and until I start maxing the other 2, but it's fun to just run at somebody, shield yourself to compensate for their nuke and then start trucking them with AAs.

orianna*
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 25 2012 20:39 GMT
#2933
Also I've been wondering, should I always push middle ? And not just last hitting or harassing ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 25 2012 20:40 GMT
#2934
Why do people not bans the Shen>?

So dumb...
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
February 25 2012 20:43 GMT
#2935
Howdy,

I've recently reached level 30 and started playing ranked games, and I've noticed players react pretty strongly to certain picks. I've even seen many people leave the game before it even starts if they don't like certain character choices. I understand the current trend is AP mid+ AD/AP top+ AD/Support bot + jungle.

So my question is what are some typical character picks that are played in most solo ranked games? Or, what would you suggest for a new character?

My typical heroes are:

AP: Annie/Ryze/Kennen/Xerath
Support: Taric (against heavy AD teams).
AD: Tristana
Jungle: Kayle

I've played Swane, Lee Sin (Jungle), Fizz, and Caitlyn during free-week periods also. If it helps the suggestions at all, my runes are a work in progress but I currently have:
Mark: AD/MP
Seal:AR
Glyph:AP/MR
Quint: AD
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 25 2012 20:45 GMT
#2936
to switch to a related topic... Who would we list as really effective anti-carries? Assuming we treat assassin as a subset of anti-carries wukong, irelia, malphite, poppy, jax and akali come to mind.
On February 26 2012 05:17 Shikyo wrote:
It's like saying that "bruiser" and "carry" are exclusive, which just is not the case. Just like "ranged AD" and "carry" isn't exclusive. The first one is a description of what they do or basically their "class", whereas "support" "carry" "ganker" etc. are the roles.

Carry is basically a champion who gets better with more items and can effectively carry a team, I wouldn't count cass as a carry(semicarry imo), nor Malphite(initiator), but I would definitely count irelia as a carry because she can basically 1v5 after getting ahead/fed. Ranged DPS I'd call all of them carries except Caitlyn and Kennen, who I'd call semicarries.

Tryndamere I count a carry, the old Jax as well. Current one I'm not sure about.

Nocturne is a ganker, amumu is an initiator(only secondarily a tank).


This also is just the primary role. On some champions, you can actually choose your role up to a certain extent. For instance you can play a Skarner in jungle with Shurelyas as a supportive initiator, or go toplane and go with Trinity Force to become a tanky sustained DPS. You can play taric as botlane support, or solo mid with him and become an aggressive ganker. You can even build DPS with Taric and become a melee DPS. Even though this isn't optimal, this is still going to be the role you have.

To be honest, you shouldn't call specific champions carries. You should only call combinations of builds/playstyles and champions carries.

you're a better poster than me ;(
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 25 2012 20:50 GMT
#2937
On February 26 2012 05:43 Masq wrote:
Howdy,

I've recently reached level 30 and started playing ranked games, and I've noticed players react pretty strongly to certain picks. I've even seen many people leave the game before it even starts if they don't like certain character choices. I understand the current trend is AP mid+ AD/AP top+ AD/Support bot + jungle.

So my question is what are some typical character picks that are played in most solo ranked games? Or, what would you suggest for a new character?

My typical heroes are:

AP: Annie/Ryze/Kennen/Xerath
Support: Taric (against heavy AD teams).
AD: Tristana
Jungle: Kayle

I've played Swane, Lee Sin (Jungle), Fizz, and Caitlyn during free-week periods also. If it helps the suggestions at all, my runes are a work in progress but I currently have:
Mark: AD/MP
Seal:AR
Glyph:AP/MR
Quint: AD

those are all perfectly good heroes and i wouldn't worry about your teammate's reactions typically. At beginner ratings people get very upset over picks/bans even when they're perfectly reasonable and seem to feel they decide the game even though it rarely does. This is just one thing you should get used to ignoring from your teammates.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
February 25 2012 20:51 GMT
#2938
Fact: If you picked vayne and your team did not win, vayne was not a carry.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
February 25 2012 20:57 GMT
#2939
On February 26 2012 05:43 Masq wrote:
Howdy,

I've recently reached level 30 and started playing ranked games, and I've noticed players react pretty strongly to certain picks. I've even seen many people leave the game before it even starts if they don't like certain character choices. I understand the current trend is AP mid+ AD/AP top+ AD/Support bot + jungle.

So my question is what are some typical character picks that are played in most solo ranked games? Or, what would you suggest for a new character?

My typical heroes are:

AP: Annie/Ryze/Kennen/Xerath
Support: Taric (against heavy AD teams).
AD: Tristana
Jungle: Kayle

I've played Swane, Lee Sin (Jungle), Fizz, and Caitlyn during free-week periods also. If it helps the suggestions at all, my runes are a work in progress but I currently have:
Mark: AD/MP
Seal:AR
Glyph:AP/MR
Quint: AD


Jungle Kayle is rather non-standard but the others are pretty normal picks, I doubt people are dodging because of that. People just like to dodge.
I am the Town Medic.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 21:09:30
February 25 2012 21:08 GMT
#2940
So I've been wondering about whether any item would be better on certain champions than deathcap as a first item. I mean of course if you put your masteries and runes around it. Maybe void staff would be better on an AoE sustained damage type champion like karthus since you are hitting a lot of higher MR champions. Then if you're a bursty champion perhaps dfg would be better (we had a discussion on dcap vs dfg on the sion thread? and it never really resolved). If you have an AoE initiate you get zhonyas (fiddles, morg, kennen). And finally if you have a lot of sustained damage and a low cooldown on one of your abilities maybe you can maximize your dps with lichbane since it might be essentially adding 1.0 to the ap ratio of a 2 second cooldown ability (ziggs has a 3 second cd bomb).

Seems everyone just likes the harry potter hat :/ I never considered trying lichbane first on anyone until yesterday and I loved it on ziggs.
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