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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 25 2012 19:22 GMT
#2901
Oh god, semantics again...
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
February 25 2012 19:24 GMT
#2902
LoL is not DotA. It's irrelevant what terms they use.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2012 19:25 GMT
#2903
On February 26 2012 04:24 Craton wrote:
LoL is not DotA. It's irrelevant what terms they use.

So you instead make up your own definition and call it true? Especially when the name "carry" specifically comes from carrying your team into victory...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 25 2012 19:26 GMT
#2904
On February 26 2012 04:24 Craton wrote:
LoL is not DotA. It's irrelevant what terms they use.

It's not irrelevant. Insofar as your re-branding of terms holds no actual practical advantage (which you haven't shown it does), it's less confusing both for newcomers with DotA experience, and for inter-genre discussion to use the terms as they originally meant.
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
February 25 2012 19:26 GMT
#2905
I thought people would know better than to argue with Craton, it's almost as bad as arguing with TwoDowny, h4h4.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2012 19:29 GMT
#2906
Not to mention there already is a term for what Craton is describing: Glass cannon.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
February 25 2012 19:33 GMT
#2907
Because DotA functions tremendously different from LoL with shit where mages are essentially supports. Your personal views on what the terms should be called do not line up with that the vast majority of players.
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 25 2012 19:35 GMT
#2908
On February 26 2012 04:33 Craton wrote:
Because DotA functions tremendously different from LoL with shit where mages are essentially supports. Your personal views on what the terms should be called do not line up with that the vast majority of players.

Funny about how people always say that given how many mages are actually classed as semi-carries.

And I'm pretty sure the fact that what you consider a misuse of the term (e.g. saying Irelia is a carry) is as common as it is means quite a lot of players don't agree with your definition.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 25 2012 19:36 GMT
#2909
On February 26 2012 04:24 Craton wrote:
LoL is not DotA. It's irrelevant what terms they use.


Ya I mean, DotA calls their things heroes and creeps, LoL has champions and minions... the games are clearly nothing alike, who would ever make inferences from one to the other.

I liked the part where you even avoided saying 'carries carry the game' by typing x instead of carry. At that point you and everyone else realized how pointless your argument is, and yet you carried on. I admire your perseverance, and by admire I mean laugh at, and by perseverance I mean trolling.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 19:38:16
February 25 2012 19:36 GMT
#2910
Necrolyte, Storm Spirit, Invoker, Obsidian Destroyer, Tinker, Silencer, Prophet are some int heroes that can be played as carries...


As I said, why would you call something "carry" if the term doesn't mean what the word does? That makes no sense. The term is completely stolen from DotA, and you want to give it a different definition that has nothing to do with the meaning of the word?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 19:43:28
February 25 2012 19:40 GMT
#2911
Are we actually having a semi-heated argument over arbitrary and irrelevant sematics?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 25 2012 19:40 GMT
#2912
"I'm the person carrying this team on my shoulders because I'm able to contribute more than 1/5th to the win."

There's your definition.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 25 2012 19:40 GMT
#2913
On February 26 2012 04:36 Shikyo wrote:
Necrolyte, Storm Spirit, Invoker, Obsidian Destroyer, Tinker, Silencer, Prophet are some int heroes that can be played as carries...


As I said, why would you call something "carry" if the term doesn't mean what the word does? That makes no sense. The term is completely stolen from DotA, and you want to give it a different definition that has nothing to do with the meaning of the word?


It's not even stolen from DotA, it's stolen from literal meaning. "Damn Lebron is totally carrying his team tonight." "Tom Brady carried the Pats to the Super Bowl this year, the rest of the team was terrible."

Carrying means what it does, you can't just make shit up about it. 'Carries' are the champions that do this most often, and not unexpectedly.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 19:46:08
February 25 2012 19:45 GMT
#2914
I don't know why but I always feel weak as shit when I go gp top. People get a tabi or a vest and I can no longer win any trades. Always end playing semi-passive and I don't really feel that strong either once it gets to late game.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 19:47:27
February 25 2012 19:46 GMT
#2915
i have similar feelings to craton's. I have no idea why you would *want* to describe warmogs cass as belonging to the same category as deathcap cass when they play so differently. Glass cannon is also not the same thing because carry conveys an ability to continue dealing high damage throughout a fight and a glass cannon could just be a squishy mage with a lot of burst and no sustained damage.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 19:50:04
February 25 2012 19:48 GMT
#2916
On February 26 2012 04:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
i agree completely with craton. I have no idea why you would *want* to describe warmogs cass as belonging to the same category as deathcap cass when they play so differently. Glass cannon is also not the same thing because carry conveys an ability to continue dealing high damage throughout a fight and a glass cannon could just be a squishy mage with a lot of burst and no sustained damage.

I think you're mistaking it, carrying conveys an ability to win, nothing else. You don't even need to deal any damage to champions to win if you have an ability that onehits towers, to give an extreme example.


Another example. Heimerdinger back when he was broken was considered pretty much the hardest carry in the game because his team just won the game after he got some farm because he had totally unstoppable pushes and just took an inhibitor after inhibitor.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 25 2012 19:49 GMT
#2917
A "carry" is someone who can lead your team to victory by putting them on their back. That's what the term means and how it's always been used in every team sport known to man. -.- I don't see what item builds have anything to do with it.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 25 2012 19:57 GMT
#2918
Carry != DPS.

MAYBE that's why there are two different terms.
LoL players call everything carry. «Carry AP», «Carry AD», «GP is a carry», «Lee is a carry jungler». We don't have to cope with this stupid shit, where «carry» means «makes use of big farm»...
The legend of Darien lives on
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
February 25 2012 20:01 GMT
#2919
Let's not define certain champions as carries, but certain players. Because 6 item soraka is going to rape 1 item insert your carry's name here.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 25 2012 20:02 GMT
#2920
As I guess there are more people playing Kassadin than Orianna I post his in gd, can you zone out this creepy dude before he hit 6 ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
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