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I don't really play Garen that much, so I won't comment on him. But for Renekton - sure I will try to.
Even if akali runs mostly armor - I still think that Renekton should bully her in lane. His early level dominance over her alone should just give him a substantial lead. Her Shroud isn't all that useful vs Renek as his Q will hit her regardless. And his E is too good as a runaway tool. Then once they both hit 6 - akali - well most akalis will try to kill him or harass him more to burst him down eventually - but Renek can recover from most of the damage easily imo, and then if she tries to do something aggressive (which is what most akalis have to do just to stay relevant in the game), his W Q and E help him to counter her burst with his own mini burst and sustain. And if he uses his ultimate no real way Akali can kill him.
And plus Renekton shouldn't even go straight up Mogs - especially if he has a lead, so go double dorans and Brut, regardless of the armor Akali starts with, I doubt she will be able to touch Renek at all.
Actually if I think about - most of this shit works for Garen tooo derp  ((.
Akali will need alot of jungle help just to farm, and will need to gank other lanes and opposing jungle consistently in the hopes of getting a few kills here and there so she can try to 1v1 Renek.
Just my thoughts. If you don't really feel he hard counters her its all good. Just thought I should share my opinion as Navi said.
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that's cool. i'd be willing to test out that matchup with you on the US server if you would like. probably the best way to persuade / be persuaded for either side :3
i would agree on renekton having a better time than garen due to his ability to q while moving (cast q and then start moving backwards), which with boots would make it more difficult for akali to land her q's proc. however, with shroud this is slightly negated - and i still maintain that akali would be able to farm. I don't think she needs to get kills to come out of that lane happy necessarily - as long as she has decent CS and levels she can come invade or gank another lane or laneswap with mid and use her high mobility and burst against those who are lower level / HP / defensive stats and hopefully start her snowballing there instead.
I would agree that most lanes that need jungler assistance to survive are soft counters for at least that part of the laning phase - but when akali picks up sustain, renekton has no real way of sticking unto her in the short time it would take both of them to clear a wave unless he has red and she has no tower either imo. so the counter level is less so than riven or lee in my opinion, who both have kill potential combos post 6 as well as dominance during the period of time when all top laners do not want to miss a single creep's worth of exp or cs for fear of the immediate repercussions (1-6).
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Cassiopeia
+ Show Spoiler +Karthus: Soft counter, Reasoning: The range on your Q(lay waste) allows you to farm at a distance / deter her if she tries to zone you. W(wall of pain) can be used defensively, or offensively - coupled with your jungler to punish her aggressive playstyle (GG 5 second 40% slow). I would like to test this out a few more times. I'd appreciate your feedback 
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Thanks for all the replies, I'll update the OP tommorow morning ^^
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On February 02 2012 07:21 BaconSoup wrote:Cassiopeia+ Show Spoiler +Karthus: Soft counter, Reasoning: The range on your Q(lay waste) allows you to farm at a distance / deter her if she tries to zone you. W(wall of pain) can be used defensively, or offensively - coupled with your jungler to punish her aggressive playstyle (GG 5 second 40% slow). I would like to test this out a few more times. I'd appreciate your feedback
i wouldn't use his wall as a deciding factor in that matchup - cass has plenty of slows / speeds / stuns in her kit as well, and if a long slow was all that mattered nasus would be unbeatable with the right jungler  . counterganks happen as well, although karthus is admittedly very powerful in 2v2 engagements earlygame. i would think that Cassiopeia would have pushing power in that matchup because if the two advanced before their waves, a smart cass would go for the fight, even if karthus walled. to wall, karthus must face cass - giving her the opportunity to ult him post 6 as well - but her DPS will be larger once the creeps come to her (no more double damage) and they begin bashing each other with their q's and e's.
Post 6 this becomes a large issue to karthus because of the stun time as mentioned above. Pre 6, the half cd of e as compared to karthus's q and his inability to finish her off with the ultimate means that he should be wary in such fights as well. I think that this matchup between two skilled individuals should end in a stalemate, or slightly in cass' favor, in most non-super aggressive lanes. If gankability was a setup for a hard counter, malzahar and annie and a few noticeable others would be a lot more prevalent in high play :O
relevant to this discussion is the final game of CLG.eu vs m5. worth a watch!
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OP UPDATED
Once we get this running, we will need to prune bad examples and poorly written match-ups description. How would you like to do that ? I can try to do it by myself, or maybe creat a side-page with an upvote/downvote system ?
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Morgana gets countered by:
Cho'gath. The instant silence from behind a minion comes into effect before black shield can go off, and morgana can't really have her shield up all the time. I'd think it'd be the same with most characters with silences like Talon.
Morgana's shield also doesn't work against physical damage. If you're good at dodging Q's you can beat her with an AD carry.
Anyone that can clear waves faster than morgana (cho again) can also cause her to miss tormented soil or have to use it at tower as Navi says.
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Singed
Against Singed toplane your best bet is to pick Ryze. You should harass and zone Singed very hard with auto-attacks whenever he moves in for a last-hit and starting with lvl3 also with frequent Qs. Since Singed relies on getting close to be obnoxious Ryze should always easily answer with a QWQ Combo. Ryze also scales very hard into later stages of the game, which will be easy reached due to the lack of harassment of Singed.
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On February 02 2012 20:04 Brockster wrote:
Singed
Against Singed toplane your best bet is to pick Ryze. You should harass and zone Singed very hard with auto-attacks whenever he moves in for a last-hit and starting with lvl3 also with frequent Qs. Since Singed relies on getting close to be obnoxious Ryze should always easily answer with a QWQ Combo. Ryze also scales very hard into later stages of the game, which will be easy reached due to the lack of harassment of Singed.
singed has so many laneing counters its not even funny. To point out a specific one seems to be abundand.
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On February 02 2012 21:44 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 20:04 Brockster wrote:
Singed
Against Singed toplane your best bet is to pick Ryze. You should harass and zone Singed very hard with auto-attacks whenever he moves in for a last-hit and starting with lvl3 also with frequent Qs. Since Singed relies on getting close to be obnoxious Ryze should always easily answer with a QWQ Combo. Ryze also scales very hard into later stages of the game, which will be easy reached due to the lack of harassment of Singed.
singed has so many laneing counters its not even funny. To point out a specific one seems to be abundand.
Not really. It would make sense to point them all out. It wouldn't make sense just to ignore them.
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Well the thing is Singed doesn't really have a strong laning phase so alot of matchups end up the same.
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Vladimir
+ Show Spoiler +Cassiopeia, with proper play, should destroy a vladimir in lane. Her longer range and ability to turn any trade into her favor with her E spam makes her perfect for taking advantage of vlad's early game weakness between levels 1-7, and taking command of the lane with her superior ability to trade, far longer range, and zone control with her w and q. An emphasis on proper play however. It is important to be able to make every trade count strongly in your favor when laning against vlad, because due to his sustain, it is nearly impossible to come back if he gets ahead of you.
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anything that is ranged and has a disengage or disable. anything that can push faster. anything that scales harder.
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i think this is a pretty succinct post by smash, tho it's regarding nasus vs singed, but it touches on the issues that singed does indeed have.
1. The big issue is that singed puts out relatively huge sustained magic DPS to Melee characters who have to be in predictable locations, and can disengage from Melee characters at will with an absurd slow and repositioning skill. The ways that melee can deal with this is: a. Ranged Nuke and b. Instant Gap Closer. Nasus has neither.
So basically, the way I interpret this, is that for singed to win, he as to be able to disengage at will, which he can only do with champions that don't have range and don't have the capability to stick to people. Due to the number of dashes or ranged skills that melee champions have, there are only a select few champions that have trouble dealing with singed.
Another vladimir counter:
Vladimir:
+ Show Spoiler [Kassadin] +This on is pretty easy, Kassadin has a 650 range nuke/silence. Vlad's q is 600, and early on in lane, they are roughly equal in cooldown, so pre 6, it is well within reason for Kass to totally screw up any attempt for vlad to really do anything. it also helps that Kass has some extra mres for a passive.
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On February 02 2012 23:26 InvaderUK wrote:
Well the thing is Singed doesn't really have a strong laning phase so alot of matchups end up the same.
Well yes, so does nasus. But for those champions that snowball hard you have a different definition of counter lane. In my opinion at least.
When I play against Garen I essentially win my lane by even the farm and scale better into late game. So a counterpick would be someone who can just farm against him.
When I play against Nasus (or Singed) that doesn't work. I need to take a champ that denies (and maybe even kill) him. So a counterpick would be someone that destroys him in lane.
As it seems Ryze destroys singed in lane. there are other champs that doesn't and doesn't scale as well. So where is the point in not pointing that out?
On February 02 2012 23:31 clickrush wrote:
anything that is ranged and has a disengage or disable. anything that can push faster. anything that scales harder.
And as I understand it this is exactly what we are not looking for.
There a some "counterpick-lists" out there alraedy that have this kind of information, but no details at all. Or you could just go into the general LoL forum for this information.
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Akali
I mentioned this previously in the akali thread, but worth mentioning here since it's relevant. Garen and Cassiopeia are also hard counters due to their aoe skills which negates her shroud, and their trades are superior to that of akali's.
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Please try to be at least close to the layout used for all the champs. It's a pain to re format everything.
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Here's one.
Solo top Riven
+ Show Spoiler +General information:
Riven is a beast at trading because of her amazing AD scaling and passive. Pretty much no one can win a trade with Riven when she can use all of her abilities. This is why she can bully many top champions, win her lane and even get 1v1 kills. There are three good ways to counter Riven:
1. Accept that you lose the trade and heal yourself back up from minions with champions that have strong sustain.
2. Accept that you lose the trade but force a prolonged fight where Riven's abilities are on cooldown and her damage becomes quite weak.
3. Outrange Riven and never allow her to come close enough to trade with youm while still farming creeps. This requires an escape ability with a similar cooldown to Riven's Broken Wings - long range is not enough because of Riven's amazing mobility and lane bushes.
A few general tips for laning vs. Riven:
-Riven's ultimate increases her mobility, because the short hops from Riven's Q and E become significantly longer.
-Riven should almost never be followed into a bush, even when she seems to be running away and at low health, because if she activates her ultimate and waits for someone to follow, she is able to kill many champions from 100% in a few seconds. This happens because she doesn't have to use abilities to chase and can utilise her maximum damage output.
-Buy ninja tabi. Always.
-Buy armor items early on. Wriggle's is also very good.
-If you force Riven to build "badly" to win her lane (= survivability instead of attack damage) you have made her weaker in teamfights and as such the lane can be considered to have ended in a draw.
+ Show Spoiler +Gangplank destroys Riven at levels 1-3. Skill order is QEQ. He is able to harass very effectively at level 1 with Parrrley, but the true killer is Gangplank's passive. With 3 stacks it slows for 21% and does considerable damage over time, while Riven's Q ability probably has a ~8-12 second cooldown (depending on how quickly she spammed Q). A Riven will win a trade while she has charges in her passive but after that she is unable to run away or fight back and will most likely just die or be forced to use a flash to escape. Because of this Gangplank can secure an early lead and usually dominate his lane. Most Riven players do not realise this and it is very easy to get first blood in this lane.
+ Show Spoiler +Udyr, who maxes turtle stance first, will become effectively immortal after level ~7. His tiger stance allows him to trade effectively against Riven as well. Riven can win against Udyr on the early levels, but after Udyr get's wriggle's lantern the lane is effectively over.
+ Show Spoiler +Nasus will heal all of Riven's damage with his passive and also do pretty well in the trades with Wither and Siphoning Strike. Once Nasus buys frozen heart Riven can do nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +Lee sin, who maxes W skill first can outsustain Riven and his high damage allows him to not lose the trades lopsidedly. He must build wriggles immediately.
+ Show Spoiler +A Cho'Gath that has armor and attack damage runes will lose trades, but do enough damage to Riven that she cannot ignore it. After the trade Cho will heal to full from killing creeps. Riven will be pushed to her tower and lose in last hits eventually.
+ Show Spoiler +Irelia who plays scared and buys as much armor as possible early on (levels 1-7) and maxes her W skill first to get the necessary sustain will eventually be able to force Riven out of the lane. Irelia should buy either wriggle's or warden's mail ASAP.
+ Show Spoiler +Pantheon has even better AD scaling than Riven and his passive will block a lot of damage in a sustained fight. The only weakness of Pantheon is that he will run out of mana. A Pantheon that starts spamming spears at level 1 will be out of mana and therefore unable to kill Riven until he goes back. However, if he waits until level 3 and starts throwing rank 2 spears, it will take about 5-6 spears + 2-4 autoattacks + ignite to go from full health to dead. If Riven can get Pantheon to waste mana she can win the lane, but that requires an unskilled opponent.
+ Show Spoiler +Kennen can farm creeps from a long range and escape with Lightning Rush if Riven tries to come near. Kennen should max W first and try to harass with every 5th attack to proc the lightning marks.
+ Show Spoiler +Caitlyn, Graves, Vayne, Ezreal, Corki all have an escape method and long range. I haven't met any of these champions at top lane with Riven, so this counter is purely theorycraft.
Unfortunately I do not know how to make the champion name a part of the spoiler link. Also I could not figure out a way to properly include some of the info under the specific champions, so I just intoduced it generally at the start.
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There are very few "bad" top matchups that cannot be amended by rune/item/skill order.
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I guess we should put the really hard and obvious to most TLers counterpicks too:
Gangplank Top
+ Show Spoiler +Pantheon shits all over GP top, to the extent that you should never go against panth with GP, he trades better with spears and his passive will block parrley almost everytime, forcing GP out of lane or killing him brutally.
Karthus Mid
+ Show Spoiler +Kassadin destroys karthus, his teleport mobility allows him to completely avoid taking any damage from karthus's Q, aura and wall once he reaches level 6. Karthus Q spam will allow kassadin to constanty use his E, and the silence shuts down any counterattack. Kassadin can also jump in and silence karthus if he tries to channel his ult, even if he is far under tower. There is literally nothing karthus can do vs kassadin.
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