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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 24 2012 03:27 GMT
#201
ryze's appeal is that his gank assist is amongst the strongest of midlaners while having excellent scaling
i like TF for ap because he can gank very easily, is hard to dominate in lane due to his ability to farm from afar if needed, and his likewise very good gank assist for early ganks

udyr rumble lee irelia as mentioned above are very versatile top laners
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 03:36:04
March 24 2012 03:32 GMT
#202
Request for lane udyr counter. It feels like even with wriggles rush teemo, I can't push him out of lane and if I have any ping he can catch me and dive me.

Maybe just need full offensive runes
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 24 2012 04:21 GMT
#203
On March 24 2012 12:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Request for lane udyr counter. It feels like even with wriggles rush teemo, I can't push him out of lane and if I have any ping he can catch me and dive me.


lane udyr tiger form wants to do 1 thing: rush in with bear, hit you with tiger, then back away and farm with turtle.

therefore you need 1 of 3 things to play against him:
>the mobility (or counter-mobility) to dictate when he can hit you and when he can't (riven or ryze)
>the ability to make favorable trades when he hits you
- this is broken into 2 subcategories: the ability to outdamage him or the ability to stick on him when he tries to back out after harassing so you can counterharass (shyvana and GP)

basically you can go extremely aggressive at level 1 because no matter what stance he took, 1 stance is never enough to make a difference on udyr. he needs to stance dance to get the most out of his stances. 2-5 is tricky, he can usually make favorable trades here unless you get really ahead at 1 or are playing one of the aforementioned people. post 5, you will have an ult, he won't, use that to your advantage. udyr is a tough lane for anyone but i think riven shyv and GP can all do pretty well against him
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 04:28:14
March 24 2012 04:28 GMT
#204
A good way to lane vs Udyr is to run when he activates his Q. You just keep running until he has to last hit a creep and his extra deepz from Q are down so you can usually win a trade. Other than that just follow what guitar said.
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 24 2012 07:32 GMT
#205
On March 24 2012 13:21 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 12:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Request for lane udyr counter. It feels like even with wriggles rush teemo, I can't push him out of lane and if I have any ping he can catch me and dive me.


lane udyr tiger form wants to do 1 thing: rush in with bear, hit you with tiger, then back away and farm with turtle.

therefore you need 1 of 3 things to play against him:
>the mobility (or counter-mobility) to dictate when he can hit you and when he can't (riven or ryze)
>the ability to make favorable trades when he hits you
- this is broken into 2 subcategories: the ability to outdamage him or the ability to stick on him when he tries to back out after harassing so you can counterharass (shyvana and GP)

basically you can go extremely aggressive at level 1 because no matter what stance he took, 1 stance is never enough to make a difference on udyr. he needs to stance dance to get the most out of his stances. 2-5 is tricky, he can usually make favorable trades here unless you get really ahead at 1 or are playing one of the aforementioned people. post 5, you will have an ult, he won't, use that to your advantage. udyr is a tough lane for anyone but i think riven shyv and GP can all do pretty well against him

naw gp gets trashed by udyr. riven owns him though.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 24 2012 07:58 GMT
#206
On March 24 2012 16:32 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:21 gtrsrs wrote:
On March 24 2012 12:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Request for lane udyr counter. It feels like even with wriggles rush teemo, I can't push him out of lane and if I have any ping he can catch me and dive me.


lane udyr tiger form wants to do 1 thing: rush in with bear, hit you with tiger, then back away and farm with turtle.

therefore you need 1 of 3 things to play against him:
>the mobility (or counter-mobility) to dictate when he can hit you and when he can't (riven or ryze)
>the ability to make favorable trades when he hits you
- this is broken into 2 subcategories: the ability to outdamage him or the ability to stick on him when he tries to back out after harassing so you can counterharass (shyvana and GP)

basically you can go extremely aggressive at level 1 because no matter what stance he took, 1 stance is never enough to make a difference on udyr. he needs to stance dance to get the most out of his stances. 2-5 is tricky, he can usually make favorable trades here unless you get really ahead at 1 or are playing one of the aforementioned people. post 5, you will have an ult, he won't, use that to your advantage. udyr is a tough lane for anyone but i think riven shyv and GP can all do pretty well against him

naw gp gets trashed by udyr. riven owns him though.


ya
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 24 2012 10:20 GMT
#207
I really need to update this but with everybody trashed the layout and begun posting without any sense of logic... This will take time, I'll do this after my exams, I promess !
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#208
I would love to see some counters to kass. Talon would be one of them obv. But I usually have trouble with him
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
July 01 2012 01:15 GMT
#209
On July 01 2012 08:37 jaybrundage wrote:
I would love to see some counters to kass. Talon would be one of them obv. But I usually have trouble with him


Morde. I'll write up a few of these properly when I get home.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
July 01 2012 01:31 GMT
#210
morg wins pretty hard with her sheild being faster then kass's silence and then her being able to dance better from that with her w poke and q w combo that kass can't blink out of.
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
July 01 2012 02:57 GMT
#211
On July 01 2012 08:37 jaybrundage wrote:
I would love to see some counters to kass. Talon would be one of them obv. But I usually have trouble with him


The following:

* Pre-6 anyone with a ranged auto attack can do really well against Kassadin, since Kass can only retaliate with his rather mana hungry silence and has to get into melee range to last hit.
* Any AD char (bruiser/carry) does well, since their damage isn't negated through the silence and Kassadins passive has no effect.
* Champs that can push hard, forcing Kassadin to the tower, not letting him roam.
* Champs that can negate his damage do well, be it through sustain or through shields.


If you just pick to counter him, pick Pantheon, keep him at 10 cs for the laning phase and when he tries to roam just mandrop after him.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
July 01 2012 03:42 GMT
#212
really good at keeping cow away

^best line ever
thanks guys for the posts and updates it is really appreciated
*rawr* d(^_^d)
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
July 01 2012 05:20 GMT
#213
From my experience as far as AP mages go, Ryze is pretty good against kassadin. MS quints, MR glyphs and just throw a Q+W at kassadin every time he Q's you. From level 2 onwards, you should be able to Q+W, get silenced, move closer, auto+auto+Q again and crush whatever he can throw at you. If you get a null-magic + mana crystal on your first back, it's pretty easy to outtrade kassadin.

Galio is another AP who does rather well against kassadin since he's innately very MR heavy/tanky and is one of the strongest pushers in the game.

Putting bruisers mid, Tryndamere, Gangplank, Pantheon are pretty damn good against him.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 01 2012 05:27 GMT
#214
Gangplank is what I use vs Kassadin, generally have triple or quad his minionkills. Ult to assist when he tries to roam etc. He can't do anything vs Q spam and E -> autos when he tries to lasthit with melee
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
August 06 2012 23:40 GMT
#215
Ok guys. I been hearing that zyra is op (salce said so)

Anyone have any good counters. Pushing seems like it would help. I have had some success with malz as well
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
August 07 2012 01:03 GMT
#216
i havent seen anything win vs zyra before. then again i havent really seen zyra at all since its permabanned lol.
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necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
August 07 2012 01:05 GMT
#217
Swain trades really well with her thanks to his EQ combo.
Shadow of his former self.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 07 2012 01:06 GMT
#218
I'd imagine Morgana would do ok? You can kill plants with your pool and push just as hard (Zyra IMO isn't one of the hardest pushers like a Morde/Cass/Malz but then again I've barely played her.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 07 2012 02:19 GMT
#219
I've had some success against Zyra as Gragas. The first few levels are a little painful, but once you get to the point where you can farm the wave with a barrel or two, you don't even need to be near Zyra's plants to CS. Her root (Which I am assuming will be nerfed) and her ultimate's knockup can be dodged by body slam, and she is fairly squishy and an easy target once you get your ultimate.

Of course, this may or may not be true, I am only at 1300 right now.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 07 2012 02:31 GMT
#220
Some issues:

Ahri is definitely NOT a soft counter to LeBlanc. Ahri doesn't push well. Not well enough against LeBlanc anyway because Ahri will die in the process.

Galio's best counter is Vladimir (as far as AP are concerned). Vladimir outsustains Galio and his harass is targetted, not a skillshot.

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