EPT[Patch 1.0.0.133: Ziggs] General Discussion - Page 141
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On February 10 2012 18:57 seRapH wrote: the jarvan on loco's stream shouted FOR THE KING when he ulted the fizz D: and then he proceeded to get 2-shotted but that's irrelevant. No, I think if he had yelled Demacia he would've killed them and lived with 100% hp. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
What? Does hsgg own clg? :O | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
On February 10 2012 20:40 epoc wrote: If you have wota and someone else has too how much ap do you get from those? 80+30? What? Does hsgg own clg? :O http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Will_of_the_Ancients If you and a teammate both own this item, your aura will stack with your ally's, adding up for a total of 110 ability power and 40% spell vamp each. http://clgaming.net/staff George Georgeallidis HotshotGG Chief Executive Officer | ||
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bosiddon
308 Posts
also if any of you guys can get a super monday night combat invite you should try it it's like tf2 + lol, it's so fast paced it makes lol seem boring and basically it's fun | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On February 10 2012 14:00 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: cost of 2.7, and the doran's blades have to be sold much. Net loss is actually zero if you finish up a frozen mallet late game. If I'm behind I'd think ruby crystal would help more than a dblade. Not sure though. Did you guys all forget about the frigging phage proc? You won't believe how many lanes I've won just because of that slow. It's worth a lot. It also builds into both trinity force and frozen mallet. The good news is you can get dorans blades AND phage if you're so inclined. | ||
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Rixxe
United Kingdom136 Posts
GP i can do just fine with boots and 3 pots, try that with Trundle and i just had to go back or i'd die. Just compare him with Shyvana, its pretty stupid how bad he is compared then. Just me who thinks hes a bit behind these days? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
In teamfights, trundle ult and level 5 pillar is still really strong, though. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On February 10 2012 21:31 Slayer91 wrote: Everyone just gave up on trundle. He's still decently strong, but he was already a weak ganker and mostly farmed and did dragon and the new jungle hurt him in that direction. I think in the TL B thread I got into an argument about saying trundles ganks were weak, and like 5 people jumped on me saying they were really good at trundle and his ganks are amazing but like everyone stopped playing him now, huehue. In teamfights, trundle ult and level 5 pillar is still really strong, though. I remember some pro player made a comment about how Trundle has had very few nerfs and buffs, yet he's gone from being played almost all the time to rarely being played. Lately I've seen him picked in more scrims and weekly show matches though. CLG used a poke comp in a scrim the other day that revolved around Nidalee and Saint picked Trundle to jungle with. Not sure how Trundle fits into a poke comp but it shows that there is still a way to make Trundle viable. Stonewall also still has Trundle high on his tier list. I really think it's just that he's not FOTM any more. Kinda like how Gragas and Xerath are still really strong AP mid champions but not very many people pick them these days. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Kite ALL the champions! | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On February 10 2012 21:41 Kyo Yuy wrote: I remember some pro player made a comment about how Trundle has had very few nerfs and buffs, yet he's gone from being played almost all the time to rarely being played. Lately I've seen him picked in more scrims and weekly show matches though. CLG used a poke comp in a scrim the other day that revolved around Nidalee and Saint picked Trundle to jungle with. Not sure how Trundle fits into a poke comp but it shows that there is still a way to make Trundle viable. Stonewall also still has Trundle high on his tier list. I really think it's just that he's not FOTM any more. Kinda like how Gragas and Xerath are still really strong AP mid champions but not very many people pick them these days. Seems like he's picked extremely teamcomp specific. Poking doesn't work against say, a FoN chogath but with trundle ult it's a different story. Same with Jatt playing him in assassin comps. Stonewalls tierlist I largely disregard. Rammus was tier 4 when he was a tier 1 jungler that everyone forgot about. He's not a high elo player, right? He's just like a theorycrafter for jungling, mostly regarding the jungle/lane phase more than in a real game. I think jungle chogath was always really high on his tier list but nobody past 5HITCOMBO ever does it. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 10 2012 21:41 Kyo Yuy wrote: I remember some pro player made a comment about how Trundle has had very few nerfs and buffs, yet he's gone from being played almost all the time to rarely being played. Very few ? None ! http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Trundle_the_Cursed_Troll/Background Only had bugfixes, but had indeed an indirect nerf through the inability to debuff Nashor. | ||
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InvaderUK
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Rixxe
United Kingdom136 Posts
On February 10 2012 21:41 Kyo Yuy wrote: I remember some pro player made a comment about how Trundle has had very few nerfs and buffs, yet he's gone from being played almost all the time to rarely being played. Lately I've seen him picked in more scrims and weekly show matches though. CLG used a poke comp in a scrim the other day that revolved around Nidalee and Saint picked Trundle to jungle with. Not sure how Trundle fits into a poke comp but it shows that there is still a way to make Trundle viable. Stonewall also still has Trundle high on his tier list. I really think it's just that he's not FOTM any more. Kinda like how Gragas and Xerath are still really strong AP mid champions but not very many people pick them these days. Perhaps he is still viable, i just think with the releases of some of the new junglers (and the fact that some champions that are not even stated as junglers do better) really makes it a bit of a daft pick. It's interesting if he is used in certain team comps, but slightly annoying for people playing at normal ELO who enjoy the champion. Would be interesting to see those show matches, to have an idea of how good/bad/playable trundle is at high ratings. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 10 2012 22:06 mr_tolkien wrote: Only had bugfixes, but had indeed an indirect nerf through the inability to debuff Nashor. And dragon, though he can still solo it, just loses more health. I still find Trundle 0K, it's just that his good traits (brings utility ranging from very good to superb depending on comps, and versatility — Q and R allow for builds from phage+bruta into triforce, to fratmas+aegis/GA depending on needs) are now outshined by more and more of the champs released. From a teamfight perspective Ziggs has almost as much utility than (barring ults) while doing a metric fuckton of damage more, being ranged, and providing poke. He's hard to catch, and thanks to red buff you only need to get them once, so his ganks aren't as bad as people make them to be. Pillar isn't targeted, blocks path and provides vision, so you can force flashes top (or bot) extremely easily, and net kills otherwise (I run exhaust/smite on him). He still suffers from requiring farm, especially with all the junglers getting free health/resists in their kits (Shyvana, Lee Sin, Skarner, Udyr, etc. and somewhat GP who will outfarm him thanks to Parrrley and has similar versatility and need for farm), so he's more reliant on not falling behind I guess. On February 10 2012 21:27 Rixxe wrote: Might be just me at my shockingly bad ELO, but i never see anyone jungle with Trundle anymore... It's kind of easy to see why: GP i can do just fine with boots and 3 pots, try that with Trundle and i just had to go back or i'd die. Just compare him with Shyvana, its pretty stupid how bad he is compared then. Just me who thinks hes a bit behind these days? I open either vamp scepter or boots+3, depending if my team needs early ganks or not, and even without any kind of leash (team asks, then ignores you and everyone go to lane, derp) I can do a full clear (red half being wraiths->gols->red->wraiths) and have around 40% hp. Kinda light for ganks since it's consuming the 3 pots, but with a good leash you can get away with only using one and having almost all your HP to gank at level 4. | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
On February 10 2012 22:12 Rixxe wrote: Perhaps he is still viable, i just think with the releases of some of the new junglers (and the fact that some champions that are not even stated as junglers do better) really makes it a bit of a daft pick. It's interesting if he is used in certain team comps, but slightly annoying for people playing at normal ELO who enjoy the champion. Would be interesting to see those show matches, to have an idea of how good/bad/playable trundle is at high ratings. http://www.own3d.tv/clgame#/watch/445654 This is a VoD of a recent CLG scrim against Curse were they use a poke comp with a Trundle jungle. Pay particular attention to the use of his pillar to force people into Nidalee spears or to disengage from a full committed team fight so they can go back to slowly whittling curse down and then fighting at a large advantage. Trundle is a very effective jungle pick for this kind of niche comp. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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Attakijing
United States693 Posts
On February 10 2012 22:29 FR4CT4L wrote: http://www.own3d.tv/clgame#/watch/445654 This is a VoD of a recent CLG scrim against Curse were they use a poke comp with a Trundle jungle. Pay particular attention to the use of his pillar to force people into Nidalee spears or to disengage from a full committed team fight so they can go back to slowly whittling curse down and then fighting at a large advantage. Trundle is a very effective jungle pick for this kind of niche comp. when viktor came out i thought people would augment his w and play him like this. i was wrong... ;( | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
On February 10 2012 23:25 Attakijing wrote: when viktor came out i thought people would augment his w and play him like this. i was wrong... ;( I experimented with Viktors W augment, in comps with low CC I would definitely buy it but it's not as strong as trundle pillar imo since trundle pillar is on the jungle and it creates impassable terrain. In addition it doesn't work in a poke comp with either ziggs or nidalee since they both need the blue, hence CLGs kennen pick. | ||
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