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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On February 10 2012 16:17 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Just fix his mana problems. I love WW, but you're forced into silly items because he has such a ridiculously small mana pool. Hmm I usually buy a philo at the start and frozen heart is like the perfect item for warwick anyways so I don't really feel the mana-problems. But he does have kind of a low mana pool. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On February 10 2012 16:21 Two_DoWn wrote: You can keep his early game mana similar, but the problem is mid-late game where he OOMs so quickly that he's pretty useless without some item to handle that. He's a bruiser (sort of), I can't think of another one who has such severe mana issues. They need to make him scale better with levels. That said, I like the speed on E idea.WW jungle speed isnt an issue. He is just as fast as jarvan/gp/lee sin, yet they are all competitive picks. The problem is ww's trade off for his speed is much more severe. GP has an insane late game and tons of map control at level 6, plus decent ganks. LS and J4 have good ganks and a decent late game. The difference with WW is that while his late game and post 6 map control are good, the trade off prior is much too severe. You basically have no map presence. Like if I was in charge of WW adjustments I would do a little quality of life thing with his w where he gets a 10% attack speed bonus just as a passive (since the cd is VERY long for a spell like that, even if it is a very strong one) and then try to find some way to rework his e so that he has more map presence. My idea was for an overall change to where you can only see that he has vision of you if you have vision of HIM (and thus his e will be on all the time) and then by activating the ability you gain a speed buff. And ya- I wish his mana costs didnt suck as well. The problem is that his q is broken in lane if it is cheap. On February 10 2012 16:22 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Hmm I usually buy a philo at the start and frozen heart is like the perfect item for warwick anyways so I don't really feel the mana-problems. But he does have kind of a low mana pool. That's what most people do with him. I'd rather pick something up instead of FH though, being able to grab Randuin's/Mallet earlier would be really nice. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On February 10 2012 15:48 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Ziggs is really strong. Ziggs with blue buff is full on rape mode. I think if they want to keep him close but nerf him would be slow down the projectile speed on his Q by a decent chunk. As it stands, if you throw it at the right range the speed on it is fast enough to make it really hard to dodge. I think the landmines could use a little nerf too, like maybe removing the slow wouldn't be a bad start. Couple that with how insanely easy he is to use and it means instead of a learning curve, anybody who buys him can immediately smash face. It's not just the spamminess of Q that makes blue buff Ziggs a terror, it's the interaction with his passive* - had one game as Ryze where my Lee Sin fed him double buff at around L4-5 while I was shopping, and I got pushed to my tower then murdered underneath it to a combination of minefield/Q/auto spam with his ult as a coup de grace. Brrrr. * Short Fuse (Innate): Every 12 seconds, Ziggs' next basic attack deals 13 + (7 × level) (+0.35 per ability power) bonus magic damage. This cooldown is reduced by 4 seconds whenever Ziggs uses an ability. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 10 2012 16:17 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Just fix his mana problems. I love WW, but you're forced into silly items because he has such a ridiculously small mana pool. eh. i dont think that's a problem at all. frozen heart is an amazing item on WW in lane or jungle. WW barely uses mana other than Q. Jungle WW shouldn't have mana issues and in teamfights you get a Frozen heart and you're fine. Laning you grab either a couple rings or you can get chalice and your mana issues are solved. When I play WW...mana problems isn't something I really worry about tbh... | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
What lanes does he struggle with? Thus far I've found myself doing pretty well against most other AD/support combos but I realize that my personal experience may not be 100% accurate. Are there any combos in particular straight up counter him, as in, make it so that he gets zoned or something? I figured that Caitlyn could give him problems as she does every AD and I know that MF out damages him pre-6. But otherwise I feel he's really strong in lane and his level 6 burst combined with his E steroid makes him so strong during midgame. Probably a lot of ADs who are better than him late game but his early and mid game is pretty incredible and once you start snowballing it's hard to stop a fed Graves. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On February 10 2012 16:51 overt wrote: So uh, we don't have a Graves thread and I've been playing him a lot lately. What lanes does he struggle with? Thus far I've found myself doing pretty well against most other AD/support combos but I realize that my personal experience may not be 100% accurate. Are there any combos in particular straight up counter him, as in, make it so that he gets zoned or something? I figured that Caitlyn could give him problems as she does every AD and I know that MF out damages him pre-6. But otherwise I feel he's really strong in lane and his level 6 burst combined with his E steroid makes him so strong during midgame. Probably a lot of ADs who are better than him late game but his early and mid game is pretty incredible and once you start snowballing it's hard to stop a fed Graves. Versus MF with doubleup and Ashe with a good support I have a nice game usually. But with your passive up, you can take on any botlane. | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 10 2012 13:56 starfries wrote: Is he considered bad? I've actually been banning him sometimes because he's super annoying :x edit: I guess I haven't seen many do well, but I hate laning against that guy I wouldn't say he's bad. He does a lot of damage, but he's still a new champ, so I was surprised that they used him in a tournament setting, so quickly. | ||
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Ryrk
United States82 Posts
On February 10 2012 16:51 overt wrote: So uh, we don't have a Graves thread and I've been playing him a lot lately. What lanes does he struggle with? Thus far I've found myself doing pretty well against most other AD/support combos but I realize that my personal experience may not be 100% accurate. Are there any combos in particular straight up counter him, as in, make it so that he gets zoned or something? I figured that Caitlyn could give him problems as she does every AD and I know that MF out damages him pre-6. But otherwise I feel he's really strong in lane and his level 6 burst combined with his E steroid makes him so strong during midgame. Probably a lot of ADs who are better than him late game but his early and mid game is pretty incredible and once you start snowballing it's hard to stop a fed Graves. The only one who 100% screws him over is Cait, like you said. Sivir and Corki have the potential to beat/go even with him fairly easily though. It really depends on how good your supports are. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
The clip showing it should be possible, not sure if it would work with Kat since her's is near instant though. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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bosiddon
308 Posts
edit: also loco has 4 tabs open for reddit and 0 for tl | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 10 2012 17:33 Ryrk wrote: The only one who 100% screws him over is Cait, like you said. Sivir and Corki have the potential to beat/go even with him fairly easily though. It really depends on how good your supports are. Yeah, I figured that ignoring supports Caitlyn would be the most annoying and I know you can run Graves/Soraka to just shove lanes against a Caitlyn. I've found that he actually deals with Caitlyn decently because of his Q you just have to be capable of pushing (so basically have Soraka and make sure you have a ward). The other ADs don't seem to give him too much trouble you just can't always trade with a few unless you have passive stacks up. I realize that it's kind of hard because duo bot is just as reliant upon the AD carry as it is the supports but the only real problem I ever have with him in lane is going OOM if I start playing too aggressive. I've found most match ups down there to be entirely skill based and maybe it's just cause the people I'm playing against are bad but I feel like it's really easy to get fed with Graves because lots of people still don't expect his level 6 burst. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
EDIT: also loco just got first blooded lol. EDIT2: haha playing with terrible Koreans. | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Edit: na he seems bad. Tower dive at half HP against 4 with Baron to try and finish an Alistar with ult on. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 10 2012 18:43 seRapH wrote: WHAT THEY CHANGED JARVAN'S DEMACIA SHOUT TO FOR THE KING IN KOREA The fk? What do you mean? =S Also that GBob video is awesome. Especially that expression on his face. <3 | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I saw the Grand Skyfall one live and it was pretty random. | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
and then he proceeded to get 2-shotted but that's irrelevant. | ||
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