[Patch 1.0.0.133: Ziggs] General Discussion - Page 140

On February 10 2012 16:17 Jacobs Ladder wrote:

Just fix his mana problems. I love WW, but you're forced into silly items because he has such a ridiculously small mana pool.

On February 10 2012 16:21 Two_DoWn wrote:
WW jungle speed isnt an issue. He is just as fast as jarvan/gp/lee sin, yet they are all competitive picks. The problem is ww's trade off for his speed is much more severe. GP has an insane late game and tons of map control at level 6, plus decent ganks. LS and J4 have good ganks and a decent late game.

The difference with WW is that while his late game and post 6 map control are good, the trade off prior is much too severe. You basically have no map presence.

Like if I was in charge of WW adjustments I would do a little quality of life thing with his w where he gets a 10% attack speed bonus just as a passive (since the cd is VERY long for a spell like that, even if it is a very strong one) and then try to find some way to rework his e so that he has more map presence. My idea was for an overall change to where you can only see that he has vision of you if you have vision of HIM (and thus his e will be on all the time) and then by activating the ability you gain a speed buff.

And ya- I wish his mana costs didnt suck as well. The problem is that his q is broken in lane if it is cheap.

On February 10 2012 16:22 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:

Hmm I usually buy a philo at the start and frozen heart is like the perfect item for warwick anyways so I don't really feel the mana-problems. But he does have kind of a low mana pool.

On February 10 2012 15:48 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Ziggs is really strong. Ziggs with blue buff is full on rape mode. I think if they want to keep him close but nerf him would be slow down the projectile speed on his Q by a decent chunk. As it stands, if you throw it at the right range the speed on it is fast enough to make it really hard to dodge. I think the landmines could use a little nerf too, like maybe removing the slow wouldn't be a bad start.

Couple that with how insanely easy he is to use and it means instead of a learning curve, anybody who buys him can immediately smash face.

Short Fuse

(Innate): Every 12 seconds, Ziggs' next basic attack deals 13 + (7 × level) (+0.35 per ability power) bonus magic damage. This cooldown is reduced by 4 seconds whenever Ziggs uses an ability.

On February 10 2012 16:17 Jacobs Ladder wrote:

Just fix his mana problems. I love WW, but you're forced into silly items because he has such a ridiculously small mana pool.

On February 10 2012 16:51 overt wrote:
So uh, we don't have a Graves thread and I've been playing him a lot lately.

What lanes does he struggle with? Thus far I've found myself doing pretty well against most other AD/support combos but I realize that my personal experience may not be 100% accurate. Are there any combos in particular straight up counter him, as in, make it so that he gets zoned or something? I figured that Caitlyn could give him problems as she does every AD and I know that MF out damages him pre-6. But otherwise I feel he's really strong in lane and his level 6 burst combined with his E steroid makes him so strong during midgame.

Probably a lot of ADs who are better than him late game but his early and mid game is pretty incredible and once you start snowballing it's hard to stop a fed Graves.

On February 10 2012 13:56 starfries wrote:

Is he considered bad? I've actually been banning him sometimes because he's super annoying :x

edit: I guess I haven't seen many do well, but I hate laning against that guy

On February 10 2012 16:51 overt wrote:
So uh, we don't have a Graves thread and I've been playing him a lot lately.

What lanes does he struggle with? Thus far I've found myself doing pretty well against most other AD/support combos but I realize that my personal experience may not be 100% accurate. Are there any combos in particular straight up counter him, as in, make it so that he gets zoned or something? I figured that Caitlyn could give him problems as she does every AD and I know that MF out damages him pre-6. But otherwise I feel he's really strong in lane and his level 6 burst combined with his E steroid makes him so strong during midgame.

Probably a lot of ADs who are better than him late game but his early and mid game is pretty incredible and once you start snowballing it's hard to stop a fed Graves.

On February 10 2012 17:33 Ryrk wrote:


The only one who 100% screws him over is Cait, like you said. Sivir and Corki have the potential to beat/go even with him fairly easily though. It really depends on how good your supports are.

On February 10 2012 18:43 seRapH wrote:
WHAT THEY CHANGED JARVAN'S DEMACIA SHOUT TO FOR THE KING IN KOREA