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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
February 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#2741
On February 10 2012 01:45 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Rerun of Kiev, yes.

Go4LoL starts in 20 min (from this post).

Thanks, Neo.

Do you guys think they're currently some sleepers to be discovered? Moonie called Kennen months ago and I'm pretty sure we've had discussions about double WotA before it was getting more popular. Anything you see becoming really big in the next couple of weeks-months? Galio, more Ahri, Ziggs?

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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
February 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#2742
malz ult doesn't syn well with AD, because you can't attack when you ult....
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
February 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#2743
On February 10 2012 11:51 sob3k wrote:
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On February 10 2012 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On the topic of building mages with AD, I've always wondered, but has anyone ever tried AD Kassadin?

You get free damage from your W, have mobility with R, and a slow/silence (for going balls-deep on mages, obviously) with Q/E, as well as getting magic resist and something of an AS steroid from your passive. Probably not anywhere near as good as just building AP, but it seems like it could be pretty funny to try. (Unless you get shut down super hard in lane phase, that is =/)


Its bad, his steroid is bad and scales off of AP, and he's melee. Malz is much better with similar stuff

AD Malz

Voidlings: 1.0 ad scaling
Q: 3 second silence
W: damage based on percent max health
E: worthless but need it to attract voidlings
R: nuts suppression

Its not a bad kit for AD

For lulz try AD zilean, put nothing into bomb (max slow and rewind), permaslow enemy and kite them into oblivion. Plus you get ult even more often than normal zilean.


E is not worthless, it's your pushing skill that gives you mana, and lets you get voidlings. You can literally just use auto attacks to get mana from it, without leveling it past level 3.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#2744
wow, they're running ziggs?!
liftlift > tsm
Decelea
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia92 Posts
February 10 2012 03:06 GMT
#2745
I impulse bought volibear recently and i'm having trouble working out how i should actually be using him. I've only played a few games with him, all jungling on normals but it seems he suffers from very slow jungle clear times. I also don't know how to build him. Typically I built wriggles > mercs > warmogs > wit's end > frozen mallet. I don't feel like this is an optimal build however and perhaps other items are better suited to him, i'm thinking of ionic spark instead of wits and also potentially other on-hit items such as MBR (or even nashor's tooth / malady though they are probably a bit too trollish).

Perhaps my biggest problem though is i just feel useless in teamfights. Should i be diving their AD carry or protecting mine? His kit doesn't seem particularly good at doing either quite honestly. His Q is useful for a gap closer, but i can only get 1 W off during a teamfight which is his main damage source, and by the time it's off cooldown again, the fight is almost already decided. Finally, if were to play him as a solo top, which i am probably more interested in, what are his best matchups? I would speculate he would be good against melee champs relying on sustained damage because it gives your passive a chance to count, and be able to get multiple W's off in a fight, but this is all speculation because i have never tried him top and i really have no clue.

So since i've asked just about every possible question about how to play Volibear, i don't think it's actually possible to respond to this post in less than 1000 words. So instead any pointers about how to play Volibear would be appreciated because while he seems like a cool champion i can't work him out.
Decelea
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia92 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 03:14:25
February 10 2012 03:14 GMT
#2746
Oops double post, sorry.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 10 2012 03:15 GMT
#2747
rainman should be barred from playing irelia.
liftlift > tsm
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
February 10 2012 03:39 GMT
#2748
On February 10 2012 12:15 wei2coolman wrote:
rainman should be barred from playing irelia.


more like permanently banned from using teleport ignite

he literally crushed some noob EU teams with it, then thought it was good. LOL
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
February 10 2012 03:54 GMT
#2749
On February 10 2012 12:15 wei2coolman wrote:
rainman should be barred from playing irelia.


I like the bit where he built ninja tabi against a double AP team, with a maokai jungle, 4 hard CCs which are affected by tenacity and in a stand off all of corkis poke is magic damage to boot. Like I understand he's going to be jumping on the corki but how do you even decide that the 10% auto attack reduction and minor armour increase are worth it?
Veni, vidi, vici!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 10 2012 03:57 GMT
#2750
On February 10 2012 12:54 FR4CT4L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 12:15 wei2coolman wrote:
rainman should be barred from playing irelia.


I like the bit where he built ninja tabi against a double AP team, with a maokai jungle, 4 hard CCs which are affected by tenacity and in a stand off all of corkis poke is magic damage to boot. Like I understand he's going to be jumping on the corki but how do you even decide that the 10% auto attack reduction and minor armour increase are worth it?

rainman goes full retard, but is carried by team. I don't think he's going to learn, that he fucked up hard that match.
liftlift > tsm
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
February 10 2012 04:20 GMT
#2751
On February 10 2012 12:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 12:54 FR4CT4L wrote:
On February 10 2012 12:15 wei2coolman wrote:
rainman should be barred from playing irelia.


I like the bit where he built ninja tabi against a double AP team, with a maokai jungle, 4 hard CCs which are affected by tenacity and in a stand off all of corkis poke is magic damage to boot. Like I understand he's going to be jumping on the corki but how do you even decide that the 10% auto attack reduction and minor armour increase are worth it?

rainman goes full retard, but is carried by team. I don't think he's going to learn, that he fucked up hard that match.


sounds like soloq
FADC
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 10 2012 04:25 GMT
#2752
Phage is so strong O_O I am never building doran's blade before a phage ever again!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 10 2012 04:28 GMT
#2753
On February 10 2012 13:25 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Phage is so strong O_O I am never building doran's blade before a phage ever again!


And if you're losing your lane early on? 8 minute longsword like a boss?
Hey! How you doin'?
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 10 2012 04:36 GMT
#2754
On February 10 2012 13:25 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Phage is so strong O_O I am never building doran's blade before a phage ever again!

You're right! It's got the stats of two doran's blades for the cost of three! What a bargain!
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 10 2012 04:43 GMT
#2755
I've seen an AD jungle Kassadin before. His blue got stolen so he was behind, and I had to carry pretty hard, but he seemed to be doing surprisingly well. I didn't even notice he was AD until the game was over.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
February 10 2012 04:45 GMT
#2756
On February 10 2012 13:36 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 13:25 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Phage is so strong O_O I am never building doran's blade before a phage ever again!

You're right! It's got the stats of two doran's blades for the cost of three! What a bargain!


also actually builds into an item.....

Maybe if you're trying to kill the other guy top lane you would get dorans blades early for damage, or if you're getting wrecked.

But, farming and pushing is all you need to do top, so a lot of the times dorans are just a waste.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 10 2012 04:48 GMT
#2757
On February 10 2012 13:45 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 13:36 Treadmill wrote:
On February 10 2012 13:25 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Phage is so strong O_O I am never building doran's blade before a phage ever again!

You're right! It's got the stats of two doran's blades for the cost of three! What a bargain!


also actually builds into an item.....

Maybe if you're trying to kill the other guy top lane you would get dorans blades early for damage, or if you're getting wrecked.

But, farming and pushing is all you need to do top, so a lot of the times dorans are just a waste.

This is true. And I suppose on characters who build mallet/trinity going phage first will usually make sense. But categorically always going straight phage is wrong imo.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 10 2012 04:51 GMT
#2758
On February 10 2012 11:56 wei2coolman wrote:
wow, they're running ziggs?!

ziggs is secret top tier imo. same with sejuani.

ziggs has a lot more utility than people give him credit for imo.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
February 10 2012 04:55 GMT
#2759
I don't understand how people can not give him credit when he has a quasi-global ult, a spammable basic nuke with ridiculous range, and two skills that control so much space.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 04:58:21
February 10 2012 04:56 GMT
#2760
On February 10 2012 13:51 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 11:56 wei2coolman wrote:
wow, they're running ziggs?!

ziggs is secret top tier imo. same with sejuani.

ziggs has a lot more utility than people give him credit for imo.

Is he considered bad? I've actually been banning him sometimes because he's super annoying :x

edit: I guess I haven't seen many do well, but I hate laning against that guy
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