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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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koreasilver
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On February 10 2012 09:09 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I'm considering the viability of AD morgana as a top laner right now. Someone tell me why I won't win my lane like this. It doesn't matter if you win your lane or not, you'll be useless in fights. And I don't even see how it would win you the lane at all :S | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 10 2012 09:09 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I'm considering the viability of AD morgana as a top laner right now. Someone tell me why I won't win my lane like this. Why would you do AD on a mage that has 425 range? AD Annie, Orianna, and Kennen are all way better if you're wanting to play a mage and build AD. In any of the above scenarios though building AP is still gonna be better than building AD but if you're just looking to dick around I think Morg would be one of the worst mages to build AD due to her shitty auto-attack animation and her incredibly short auto-attack range. To clarify, while it definitely isn't as good as AP it's my opinion that Annie, Orianna, and Kennen all have kits that can still help them if they build AD. Either with mobility like Kennen, shields like what Annie and Ori have, or additional utility that all three have. Not to mention those three all have really crisp auto-attack animations and have auto-attack ranges that are in line with a lot of other AD carries. Going AD Morgana makes no real sense to me because your W is completely worthless outside of lane phase and her autos are complete garbage. Not only is her animation bad but 425 means you're going to be putting yourself in danger every single fight. AD Orianna and Annie can still initiate fights without putting themselves into danger, AD Morgana can't. So yeah, if you're gonna dick around and build an AD mage I think Morgana would be near the bottom of the list. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
Your little voidlings do A LOT of damage. Disclaimer: don't blame me if you die from ganks, your only hope really to get away early on is to 1v2 them with 2 minions =(. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
e: 0/6 | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
IPL KS: TSM vs Crs http://www.twitch.tv/ipl_lol | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Currently a tournament going on, pretty much casual but good stuff. Game in a few mins | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
I was definitely under the impression that ArPen scaled better o.o | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:05 Jaso wrote: So uh.. Chauster is saying AD scales well into the game? I was definitely under the impression that ArPen scaled better o.o Flat arpen gets worse the more armor your enemies have. Consider an enemy with 30 armor. With 30 armor pen you will do 130/(130-30) = 1.3 or 30% more damage. Against that same target later in the game, with 100 armor, your 30 armor pen will do 200/(200-30) = 17.6% more damage Whether it's better than AD or not is situational based off your items, champions, and skill. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
You get free damage from your W, have mobility with R, and a slow/silence (for going balls-deep on mages, obviously) with Q/E, as well as getting magic resist and something of an AS steroid from your passive. Probably not anywhere near as good as just building AP, but it seems like it could be pretty funny to try. (Unless you get shut down super hard in lane phase, that is =/) | ||
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dottycakes
Canada548 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:05 Jaso wrote: So uh.. Chauster is saying AD scales well into the game? I was definitely under the impression that ArPen scaled better o.o ArPen does scale better than flat AD runes, even with last whisper and the 10% armor reduc mastery. Don't know what he was talking about. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On the topic of building mages with AD, I've always wondered, but has anyone ever tried AD Kassadin? You get free damage from your W, have mobility with R, and a slow/silence (for going balls-deep on mages, obviously) with Q/E, as well as getting magic resist and something of an AS steroid from your passive. Probably not anywhere near as good as just building AP, but it seems like it could be pretty funny to try. (Unless you get shut down super hard in lane phase, that is =/) AD Kassadin was fun when his W gave armor pen, and not +magic damage on autoattacks. Now it's just meh. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:05 Jaso wrote: So uh.. Chauster is saying AD scales well into the game? I was definitely under the impression that ArPen scaled better o.o I think he meant AD scales well on specific champs that have good AD scaling on their abilities. (such as MF, graves, etc). Obviously apen will do more damage and scale better into lategame as people get more armor. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:05 Jaso wrote: So uh.. Chauster is saying AD scales well into the game? I was definitely under the impression that ArPen scaled better o.o MF ult is magic damage, tell me how ArPen scales better than AD with that one tr0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:48 CeriseCherries wrote: ok. idk but why is chaox playing so much MF lately... like in the IPL thingy and then also in the Go4LoL MF is like strongest ad early game. Cait might beat her, maybe. She's that strong | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On the topic of building mages with AD, I've always wondered, but has anyone ever tried AD Kassadin? You get free damage from your W, have mobility with R, and a slow/silence (for going balls-deep on mages, obviously) with Q/E, as well as getting magic resist and something of an AS steroid from your passive. Probably not anywhere near as good as just building AP, but it seems like it could be pretty funny to try. (Unless you get shut down super hard in lane phase, that is =/) Its bad, his steroid is bad and scales off of AP, and he's melee. Malz is much better with similar stuff AD Malz Voidlings: 1.0 ad scaling Q: 3 second silence W: damage based on percent max health E: worthless but need it to attract voidlings R: nuts suppression Its not a bad kit for AD For lulz try AD zilean, put nothing into bomb (max slow and rewind), permaslow enemy and kite them into oblivion. Plus you get ult even more often than normal zilean. | ||
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:44 tobi9999 wrote: MF ult is magic damage, tell me how ArPen scales better than AD with that one tr0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l. Never mind... | ||
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