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On January 18 2012 12:19 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:10 Kaneh wrote:
Jax was balanced for jungle, now he's a freaking terror if he gets farm top lane. New Jungle gives about 75% of the farm from perfect last hitting in lane. Farm from solo lane and jungle is relatively close, if not tipped in the scales of the jungle for the vast majority of the playerbase. Also, Jax has always been a terror if farmed. Zzz...
I remember seeing that math. Did it assume perfect farming of the jungle as well? I don't remember.
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On January 18 2012 10:49 Cloud9157 wrote:
I think I need to start banning Vlad...
Don't even know who to ban anymore. Riven is fine, Trynd is meh, Vayne got hit, Morg seems to have passed, Kass isn't that scary, Shaco got hit along with Rammus, and Skarner isn't retarded to face anymore.
Banned GP and Nidalee. Don't even know anymore...
Agree Riven is still fine and Morg isn't worth a ban anymore imo. Haven't tried new tyrn yet but Vayne, Shaco, Rammus, Skarner, and Graves are still top of the line champions and still worth a ban each.
Shaco only got nerfed in the sense he can't double buff at lvl1 anymore. Rammus powerball was a neutral change essentially and his DBC change isn't noticeable.. Riven still very viable. Vayne still does a ton of dmg. Graves has slightly more mana problems then before and his ult hits for slightly less but still top tier, maybe tied with Sivir. Skarner just has to learn when to not spam Q now, he can't just spam it yelling trololol all day now.
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On January 18 2012 12:21 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:19 iCanada wrote:On January 18 2012 12:10 Kaneh wrote:
Jax was balanced for jungle, now he's a freaking terror if he gets farm top lane. New Jungle gives about 75% of the farm from perfect last hitting in lane. Farm from solo lane and jungle is relatively close, if not tipped in the scales of the jungle for the vast majority of the playerbase. Also, Jax has always been a terror if farmed. Zzz... I remember seeing that math. Did it assume perfect farming of the jungle as well? I don't remember.
I believe it was an average of like 10 different champions clears, but I am not 100% positive.
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On January 18 2012 12:24 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:21 UniversalSnip wrote:On January 18 2012 12:19 iCanada wrote:On January 18 2012 12:10 Kaneh wrote:
Jax was balanced for jungle, now he's a freaking terror if he gets farm top lane. New Jungle gives about 75% of the farm from perfect last hitting in lane. Farm from solo lane and jungle is relatively close, if not tipped in the scales of the jungle for the vast majority of the playerbase. Also, Jax has always been a terror if farmed. Zzz... I remember seeing that math. Did it assume perfect farming of the jungle as well? I don't remember. I believe it was an average of like 10 different champions clears, but I am not 100% positive.
75% is the high end cap where you're farming near perfectly. The only champs who get farm like that from the jungle are the Shyvannas and Udyrs.
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On January 18 2012 12:28 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:24 iCanada wrote:On January 18 2012 12:21 UniversalSnip wrote:On January 18 2012 12:19 iCanada wrote:On January 18 2012 12:10 Kaneh wrote:
Jax was balanced for jungle, now he's a freaking terror if he gets farm top lane. New Jungle gives about 75% of the farm from perfect last hitting in lane. Farm from solo lane and jungle is relatively close, if not tipped in the scales of the jungle for the vast majority of the playerbase. Also, Jax has always been a terror if farmed. Zzz... I remember seeing that math. Did it assume perfect farming of the jungle as well? I don't remember. I believe it was an average of like 10 different champions clears, but I am not 100% positive. 75% is the high end cap where you're farming near perfectly. The only champs who get farm like that from the jungle are the Shyvannas and Udyrs.
Ah, my mistake.
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Honestly, people over-value the difference between farm in lane and farm in jungle anyway. We had this discussion before--the real place where lane farm and jungle farm separates isn't during laning phase, but who's cleaning up pushed lanes later, and how farm is distributed over the whole game. The difference during laning phase is comparatively minor. This is why Saint gets better-than-laner farm a lot of the time--not because he's farming jungle super aggressively (his neutral CS is actually lower than other junglers in a lot of games), but because past laning phase, he takes the carry mindset and takes farm from pushed lanes rather than saving them for lane carries.
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I feel like graves got hit pretty hard as a laning presence. While this was needed, it still hurts
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Isn't sejuani supposed to scale with ap? Why is everyone getting wriggles and phage omg. Woudln't Wota ROA Rylais make more sense?
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On January 18 2012 12:54 Juddas wrote:
I feel like graves got hit pretty hard as a laning presence. While this was needed, it still hurts
Same with rivens though not to the extent of graves. theyre still strong they just cant act as careless and bully whoever they feel like around. honestly while yeah they got nerfed theyre still gonna be very viable and we may see some new builds come out of this for them since the "standards" may not be as optimal now
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i love the new shop responsiveness so much <3
so glad they're addressing all this annoying little shit in the game
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So I bought this new chick, and the biggest thing I think I have noticed is the slow missile with her ult. Has anyone looked at it? I missed my first 3 because I thought it would have shot faster. Now of course this was my first game and i had never tried her, but it seemed really slow. Just slow enough to be pretty tricky to hit.
and @ Cloud, her moves do scale, but so little that it's not even worth it
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On January 18 2012 13:04 Cloud wrote:
Isn't sejuani supposed to scale with ap? Why is everyone getting wriggles and phage omg. Woudln't Wota ROA Rylais make more sense?
Nah, her AP scaling on W is atrocious, and Q/E aren't up often enough to be real threatening nukes. I think she is better built AD.
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K, Just did my frist game in the new patch, played Eve, had a sujinai as a jungler. Omg the new champion is op'd. Not a single ganked fail, no one escaped a gank. So scary.
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So what's everyone maxing first on new Jax? I kind of want to do E for defensiveness, but maybe W for the new imba damage.
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I played all the free champs this week that I don't normally own.
Correct me on what I'm wrong with, but I feel like I have a much better feel for all the champions.
I feel like renekton is rather easy to counter in lane now. Stay out of the range of his slice and dice. Ward bushes if you need to. He's still scary in teamfights but his damage drops off considerably after the first 3 seconds of a standard teamfight.
Kassadin can't farm under tower (well he can use his W for 5 seconds... but I don't think people max this) and has no health sustain. MR or being underfed prevent kass from instagibbing anyone.
Shyvana seems to be really strong, but her only attack that can hit far away is her E and you can just hide behind minions for that. She gets really fast with her w, and she can burst squishies down fast. It should be easy to escape from her and harass her in lane. She's really tanky and not afraid to dive you under tower. I don't know what I'd do against her in a teamfight o_0
Vayne. Wow vayne is so strong. I want to buy her! I can see how people carry so hard with her now. I have a better feel for the range of her condemn knockback.
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On January 18 2012 13:57 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I played all the free champs this week that I don't normally own.
Correct me on what I'm wrong with, but I feel like I have a much better feel for all the champions.
I feel like renekton is rather easy to counter in lane now. Stay out of the range of his slice and dice. Ward bushes if you need to. He's still scary in teamfights but his damage drops off considerably after the first 3 seconds of a standard teamfight.
Kassadin can't farm under tower (well he can use his W for 5 seconds... but I don't think people max this) and has no health sustain. MR or being underfed prevent kass from instagibbing anyone.
Shyvana seems to be really strong, but her only attack that can hit far away is her E and you can just hide behind minions for that. She gets really fast with her w, and she can burst squishies down fast. It should be easy to escape from her and harass her in lane. She's really tanky and not afraid to dive you under tower. I don't know what I'd do against her in a teamfight o_0
Vayne. Wow vayne is so strong. I want to buy her! I can see how people carry so hard with her now. I have a better feel for the range of her condemn knockback.
Alot of Renektons issues i've been getting around just by jungling him, I'm not sure why it's not seen more he has really fast clear times, stays pretty high and red+w leads to very stronk ganks, he does have an issue with lack of resists but he can still get pretty tanky and just become a throw away initiate at worst.
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So i tried out mundo and jax today, both for the first time. Mundo just isn't very good. Once ignite is on you, you are considered a squishy. It was probably more my fault for being bad at him. I played Jax in 2 games. First game I went 11/5 in a 3v5, then I went 9/0. I played like shit since it's my first time, but Jax is soooo strong. Once I got gunblade I was killing squishies in one burst. He has strong burst, strong sustained damage, and he's still moderately tanky. Anyone wanna recommend some Jax builds? I've just been buying random shit.
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On January 18 2012 14:05 Chairman Ray wrote:
So i tried out mundo and jax today, both for the first time. Mundo just isn't very good. Once ignite is on you, you are considered a squishy. It was probably more my fault for being bad at him. I played Jax in 2 games. First game I went 11/5 in a 3v5, then I went 9/0. I played like shit since it's my first time, but Jax is soooo strong. Once I got gunblade I was killing squishies in one burst. He has strong burst, strong sustained damage, and he's still moderately tanky. Anyone wanna recommend some Jax builds? I've just been buying random shit.
Typical guinsoos+ hextech gunblade will usually make you do a fuckton of damage.
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Mac client broke again. Riot...
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I call bs on building ad on a champ that scales absolutely nothing off of it.
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