EPT[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 25
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:27 Skithiryx wrote: You generally always have red buff and even if not getting a Phage isn't that expensive and you can just go Atmallet instead of Atmogs... That works. BTW isn't it pronounced fratmas?  I would probably still get wriggles first though, and by the time phage were finished, a lot of the potential ganking period would have passed. I've never seen a renekton gank, but if udyr can be god tier with no slow, then I guess renekton can gank too. Just don't waste an exhaust. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
edit: agreed on Sheen though, sounds awesome. On January 18 2012 15:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: That works. BTW isn't it pronounced fratmas? Atma's Mallet or Frozen Impaler imo | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
And WHYYYYYY would you build frozen mallet or rylais on a champ that has like, 17 slows in their kit already???? I'm probably along the lines of soniv of overvaluing rylais at times but seriously, wth? Yo man, i heard you like slows so i'll slow you with my slow while my slow slows slow. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:38 BlackPaladin wrote: You can compare the new champ to nunu or mao. Basically everything they have scales off AP but they play better as tanky support type champs. And WHYYYYYY would you build frozen mallet or rylais on a champ that has like, 17 slows in their kit already???? I'm probably along the lines of soniv of overvaluing rylais at times but seriously, wth? Literally the only reason I could think of to get rylais would be if a rylais w lets you trigger permafrost. Even then, just hit a q and save yourself 3k gold. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:38 BlackPaladin wrote: You can compare the new champ to nunu, leona, or maokai. Basically everything they have scales off AP but they play better as tanky support type champs with CDR and tankiness. And WHYYYYYY would you build frozen mallet or rylais on a champ that has like, 17 slows in their kit already???? I'm probably along the lines of soniv of overvaluing rylais at times but seriously, wth? Slows stack multiplicatively. Dodge used to stack multiplicatively too. In my opinion there is no negative impact on having more slow. It's not completely stupid. Still, no one ever just went dodge, they would build armor and dodge to counter AD. No AD carry ever just built damage, they'd build damage, crit, and attack speed. It's kinda the same with sejuani. I agree with you, I think her ganks would be more successful with more AD than with more slow. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: That works. BTW isn't it pronounced fratmas? I would probably still get wriggles first though, and by the time phage were finished, a lot of the potential ganking period would have passed. I've never seen a renekton gank, but if udyr can be god tier with no slow, then I guess renekton can gank too. Just don't waste an exhaust. In general I tend to start Cloth+5 > Boots 1 > Razors/Wriggles > Phage > Boots 2/Bruta > Atmas > Mallet > Tanky He can do alot of cool things when coming for a gank, if you can time it with a creep wave coming in and run in from the tribush behind them you can run over and slice onto a creep and then whether they run or flash dice after them and land your W>Q combo, after that you're mostly done except for AA' but generally his stun+red is enough for the other dudes in the lane to catch up and do a fair bit of damage, it's somewhat similar to a Pantheon gank... His ulti is also Ridiculous for tower diving. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:44 Skithiryx wrote: In general I tend to start Cloth+5 > Boots 1 > Razors/Wriggles > Phage > Boots 2/Bruta > Atmas > Mallet > Tanky He can do alot of cool things when coming for a gank, if you can time it with a creep wave coming in and run in from the tribush behind them you can run over and slice onto a creep and then whether they run or flash dice after them and land your W>Q combo, after that you're mostly done except for AA' but generally his stun+red is enough for the other dudes in the lane to catch up and do a fair bit of damage, it's somewhat similar to a Pantheon gank... His ulti is also Ridiculous for tower diving. Dont start cloth5. Its outdated and unnecessary. If you are aiming for wriggles, go boots or vamp cepter. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
ninja tabi have replaced swifties on the 'replace your boots' selection #1 PATCH CHANGE | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:52 Treadmill wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA ninja tabi have replaced swifties on the 'replace your boots' selection #1 PATCH CHANGE Now if they would only remove swifties from the game. #1 noob trap. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:45 Two_DoWn wrote: Dont start cloth5. Its outdated and unnecessary. If you are aiming for wriggles, go boots or vamp cepter. I only go it on Renek because in general blue can get you a little low, but it's more that i don't always build Wriggles unless i've actually gotten a few kills in ganks, I tend to treat him a bit like Lee Sin and just go into my jungle if theirs nothing to do or buffs to be had but other then that i'm generally roaming for ganks/counterjungling a fair bit, will try out vamp scepter with a new route tonight. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:52 Treadmill wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA ninja tabi have replaced swifties on the 'replace your boots' selection #1 PATCH CHANGE But now Aegis is no longer on the Ruby Crystal menu. Sad times. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:17 iCanada wrote: She doesn't really need to scale off it. If I spend 10k gold on Deathcap, Rylais, and WotA I get these stats: 1.30(80+140+80)= 390 AP +500HP +25% spellvamp That means that Sej's Q will do 363 damage (instead of 210) = if Q's up twice in a teamfight, thats 300 more damage. W will do 65+2%HP DPS (instead of 35+2%hp dps) E will do 455 (instead of 260) R wil do 630 (instead of 350) Considering most champs will have like 50-100 MR the difference in your W is negligible, your E hurts but you can only hit one target unless you manage to autoattack multiple within the three second window her passive slow has. Your Q can also only hit one champ because you stop upon hitting an enemy champion. Your Ulti has damn impressive damage as well as the stun, but it is only up every two minutes so its only useful once every two teamfights anyway. While you get a decent amount of damage, you end up damn squishy: 2395 HP at level 18 with 77 Armor and 51 (76 with mercs) MR. Chances are you are dead within the time it takes to initiate and use all your skills.Its really quite... meh imo. Say I spend that same 10k on Warmogs, Atmas, Ionic Spark and Wriggles (asssuming we started Regne->Philo+mercs on both) and you get: 30+45 armor 23+(2%HP) AD 15 Lifesteal 1270+250 hp +50% attack speed (about 1.25 attacks per second.) While you are stuck with base damage spells, you get a whopping 3415 HP meaning you get an additional 92 AD givjng you 206 auto attack damage, as well as lifesteal, 152 armor, and 76 MR giving you like 40% more EHP and the ability to throw out the same amount of damage overall especially since you actually gain more W damage from the extra HP than you do from all the AP in our first build. Your teamfight damage output is slightly less, but you end up being a much better duelist all game, and become much better at doing your tank job of being hella annoying for carries to deal with because Sej's spells have ridiculously low uptime. I'd never get deathcap on her. She doesn't scale well enough and its way too expensive for a jungler anyway. I just don't get the rationale between getting mallet instead of rylais, wriggles instead of wota, etc. Why do you rush mercs? She's not udyr, she has a huge ass gap closer. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:56 Niton wrote: But now Aegis is no longer on the Ruby Crystal menu. Sad times. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_item_code Make your own recommended items. Honestly I'm suprised the pros don't do this already. If it saves you 10 seconds per game (where even if you are waiting to heal you get to see what's going on on the map) it's more than worth the five minutes spent making the list. | ||
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koreasilver
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:06 koreasilver wrote: I seriously have no idea what I'm doing with new jax. Press REW, Q target, win! | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:15 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Dyrus is saying he can't gank anywhere with sejuani since there are wards and people can just blink away and play safe. I often just buy pink wards now and ward for my allies where I think the enemy wards are. Now he's saying he's gonna get 2 gp5 and just farm. There's also a period before people (non supports in normal games) don't buy wards that some junglers can abuse Now that supports ward bot properly the thing I hate most about jungling is watching our bot lane get shit on by Graves and then my bot yelling at me to gank bot when they obviously have river and tri bush warded. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:33 Two_DoWn wrote: I was assuming it was Jax, with a smattering of Sej. Ya. That was my bad. I should have quoted the post... Also. I noticed another change that wasn't noted in the patch. When you play a Bot game, the bots used to follow a set standard lane setup where you would have an AD+Support top, AP mid, and 2 bruisers bot, but now the top and bottom lanes are switched. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:15 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Dyrus is saying he can't gank anywhere with sejuani since there are wards and people can just blink away and play safe. I often just buy pink wards now and ward for my allies where I think the enemy wards are. Now he's saying he's gonna get 2 gp5 and just farm. There's also a period before people (non supports in normal games) don't buy wards that some junglers can abuse Well, thats a little silly because I think Sej has the strongest level three ganks currently in the game. Only bot lane should have wards by then. And hell, if the other team is all worried that Sej is gonna own their face with a level 3 gank, is that not a good thing? Means you can just laugh, counter jungle hard, and let your teammates push. /shrug | ||
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