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Gabon6219 Posts
January 18 2012 10:00 GMT
#521
On January 18 2012 18:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.

Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.


I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"

They should be banned for that, dumb comment isn't even funny.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
January 18 2012 10:34 GMT
#522
On January 18 2012 18:51 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Is it worth doing jungle route and then going back to base to get an oracles? So hard to gank lanes now that I'm gettin to an elo where good players cover themselves with wards. I figure as long as my team plays safe, I can just keep farming jungle to reclaim the cost plus any wards that are placed. (And any ganks I can accomplish!)


Early oracles on the jungle is hight risk, hight reward.
It's the kind of thing that i hate when the enemy does it, but i'm too scared to do it myself
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 18 2012 10:51 GMT
#523
What do you think of Black Cleaver on the new Jax as main offensive item with a Sheen ?
The legend of Darien lives on
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 18 2012 10:53 GMT
#524
On January 18 2012 19:00 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 18:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.

Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.


I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"

They should be banned for that, dumb comment isn't even funny.

I had a really witty response to that but then I figured it'd probably be considered martyring
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
January 18 2012 10:55 GMT
#525
On January 18 2012 19:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What do you think of Black Cleaver on the new Jax as main offensive item with a Sheen ?


Probably not worth building armor pen on a character with as much magic damage as Jax.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 10:58:05
January 18 2012 10:56 GMT
#526
On January 18 2012 19:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:00 JackDino wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.

Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.


I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"

They should be banned for that, dumb comment isn't even funny.

I had a really witty response to that but then I figured it'd probably be considered martyring

Stupid memes are more annoying than shit like easy or gg noobs.
On January 18 2012 19:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What do you think of Black Cleaver on the new Jax as main offensive item with a Sheen ?

Gunblade numero uno forever and always. You need that lifesteal/vamp and to get your mixed damage up. You might be able to get away with just a wriggles but a gunblade is so much better.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
PandaCore
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany553 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:05:07
January 18 2012 11:03 GMT
#527
And yet another "tank" character that scales of AP with Sejuani.
Where are the tanks that have abilities that scale with AD? Or does it seem too weird to have a disrupting character that scales of AD?

Lets see who's classified as tank:
Alistar (All abilities scale on AP)
Amumu (All abilities scale on AP)
Cho'Gath (All abilities scale on AP)
Galio (All abilities scale on AP)
Leona (All abilities scale on AP)
Maokai (All abilities scale on AP)
Rammus (All abilities scale on AP, AD gets increased by armor rating though)
Sejuani (All abilities scale on AP)
Shen (All abilities scale on AP)
Taric (All abilities scale on AP)
Volibear (All but one ability scale on AP, the one scales on HP)

I know there are some ADs that can be tanky, but they usually don't have skills to compliment that role.
I has a flavor
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:09:43
January 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#528
Because every single "tank" AD just ends up being a tanky DPS "bruiser" anyways.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:11:03
January 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#529
On January 18 2012 19:56 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:00 JackDino wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.

Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.


I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"

They should be banned for that, dumb comment isn't even funny.

I had a really witty response to that but then I figured it'd probably be considered martyring

Stupid memes are more annoying than shit like easy or gg noobs.
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What do you think of Black Cleaver on the new Jax as main offensive item with a Sheen ?

Gunblade numero uno forever and always. You need that lifesteal/vamp and to get your mixed damage up. You might be able to get away with just a wriggles but a gunblade is so much better.

Gunblade ? Over Rageblade ? Rageblade is 5 less AD, 20 more AP, 32% Aspd (fully charged) for 1k4 less gold >.> You don't get the lifesteal and spellvamp, neither do you get the active, but on pure offensive stats it's just as good for 60% the cost !
The legend of Darien lives on
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:10:55
January 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#530
edit:I'm sleepy
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:12:05
January 18 2012 11:10 GMT
#531
On January 18 2012 20:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:56 JackDino wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:00 JackDino wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.

Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.


I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"

They should be banned for that, dumb comment isn't even funny.

I had a really witty response to that but then I figured it'd probably be considered martyring

Stupid memes are more annoying than shit like easy or gg noobs.
On January 18 2012 19:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What do you think of Black Cleaver on the new Jax as main offensive item with a Sheen ?

Gunblade numero uno forever and always. You need that lifesteal/vamp and to get your mixed damage up. You might be able to get away with just a wriggles but a gunblade is so much better.

Gunblade ? Over Rageblade ? Rageblade is 5 less AD, 20 more AP, 32% Aspd (fully charged) for 1k4 less gold >.> You don't get the lifesteal and spellvamp, neither do you get the active, but on pure offensive stats it's just as good for 70% the cost !

Yeah, you go ahead and build pure offensive after they took away your physical mitigation, your MR and your HP and tell me how that works out for you>.>. You need the lifesteal/vamp now more than ever unless you're building atmogs.
Rageblade can be great if you have an easy time in lane though, I used to go wriggles-->rageblade in lane often.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:12:14
January 18 2012 11:11 GMT
#532
On January 18 2012 20:10 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 20:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:56 JackDino wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:00 JackDino wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.

Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.


I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"

They should be banned for that, dumb comment isn't even funny.

I had a really witty response to that but then I figured it'd probably be considered martyring

Stupid memes are more annoying than shit like easy or gg noobs.
On January 18 2012 19:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What do you think of Black Cleaver on the new Jax as main offensive item with a Sheen ?

Gunblade numero uno forever and always. You need that lifesteal/vamp and to get your mixed damage up. You might be able to get away with just a wriggles but a gunblade is so much better.

Gunblade ? Over Rageblade ? Rageblade is 5 less AD, 20 more AP, 32% Aspd (fully charged) for 1k4 less gold >.> You don't get the lifesteal and spellvamp, neither do you get the active, but on pure offensive stats it's just as good for 70% the cost !

Yeah, you go ahead and build pure offensive after they took away your physical mitigation, your MR and your HP and tell me how that works out for you>.>. You need the lifesteal/vamp now more than ever unless you're building atmogs.

Well I was more keen on going Rageblade + maybe sheen into tankiness yeah. Jax will definitly need defense right now, and so should try to get cheap power. A bit like a Wits end on Udyr/Skarner :p
The legend of Darien lives on
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 18 2012 11:24 GMT
#533
Well, after a bunch of games with different builds, this is what I've found.

You definitely need sustain of some sort on Jax, but usually I just get a vamp scepter if I didn't get a wriggle's. Gunblade is more of a luxury item or endgame, imo. Usually I end up having to build a Wriggle's for laning anyways, since most people terror me in lane (but I don't really know how to lane with him yet).

Triforce is pretty amazing and goes a long way as your only offense item, although usually I end up just building Sheen Phage and then some survivability unless already fed. I liked it a lot better than Gunblade and Rageblade.

I had success with Nashor's tooth after Triforce in a couple of games, but it still feels too expensive when I could just get a Wit's End. Having the initial attack speed is really good though imo. With more initial attack speed, you spin up your passive that much faster and of course it synergizes with your ult.

Atmog's feels like it does on anyone. It's solid but not incredibly good or anything.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 18 2012 11:33 GMT
#534
Gunblade has always been better than triforce, not sure how it is after the patch but it still should be better than triforce. Triforce used to a luxury item.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 18 2012 11:36 GMT
#535
Without his passive, though, and with the new spammable Empower Triforce got a lot better. Not to mention you get free stats from your ult, and the nerf to the AD on Gunblade hurt Jax since he autoattacks.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 18 2012 12:04 GMT
#536
While we're talking about items, i'll just throw this in here. Anyone used Ionic spark? And on which champ? Not enough for its cost imo.

Unless we've already discussed this.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 12:20:30
January 18 2012 12:19 GMT
#537
Just some theorycraft:

I think gunblade is core. come late game your damage is nowhere near that of an ad carry so the only way to beat them is to burst them down before they can kill you. Gunblade provides AP for the leap strike, counterstrike, attack, empowered attack, ult magic damage proc attack combo, as well as a 300 damage nuke.

I think deathfire might even be a good item, since considering that AD carries at level 18 have around 2000 life, before MR or AP is taken into consideration, that's 600 damage from the item.

After your enemy team's AD carry is gone, your consistent damage output should be greater than that of your enemy team's tanks and AP carries. I'd have to test gunblade deathfire grasp out. What do you guys think? DFG good item on jax?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 18 2012 12:32 GMT
#538
Well if you have 200+ AP, the 3rd level of your ult already grants you 100+ AP, ensuring about 40% of current HP pool prior to resistances. That could go a long way into bursting somebody as the first move of a combo, but I'm not sure how you could get that much AP on Jax while building tanky.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
January 18 2012 12:37 GMT
#539
Hey guys, I haven't played since before the Ahri patch.
I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to share their thoughts on who the best solo top champions are right now. I like champions that have a strong late-game provided they have good cs in the laning phase. Riven/Irelia used to be my go to champions, but I'd love to know if there are stronger alternatives now, such as the new Jax?
Thanks in advance.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 18 2012 12:42 GMT
#540
On January 18 2012 21:37 Agnosthar wrote:
Hey guys, I haven't played since before the Ahri patch.
I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to share their thoughts on who the best solo top champions are right now. I like champions that have a strong late-game provided they have good cs in the laning phase. Riven/Irelia used to be my go to champions, but I'd love to know if there are stronger alternatives now, such as the new Jax?
Thanks in advance.


Toplane is really hard to tell, its about your teamcompo, the enemyteamcompo and how you fit in.

Gp, Irelia, Trynd, Rumble, Kennen, Riven, Nida, Renek, Monkey, Singed etc etc etc...

All good champions, given the right conditions.
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