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On January 18 2012 16:15 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Dyrus is saying he can't gank anywhere with sejuani since there are wards and people can just blink away and play safe. I often just buy pink wards now and ward for my allies where I think the enemy wards are. Now he's saying he's gonna get 2 gp5 and just farm. There's also a period before people (non supports in normal games) don't buy wards that some junglers can abuse 
Too many champions having free ungankable blinks is a problem for the majority of junglers, not just Seju.
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On January 18 2012 15:38 starfries wrote:Building pure tank on Jax wastes that delicious scaling boost from his ult though. I don't think it's BAD, but it sounds kind of like building atmog's on Riven. edit: agreed on Sheen though, sounds awesome. Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On January 18 2012 15:27 Skithiryx wrote:On January 18 2012 14:59 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On January 18 2012 14:02 Skithiryx wrote:On January 18 2012 13:57 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I played all the free champs this week that I don't normally own.
Correct me on what I'm wrong with, but I feel like I have a much better feel for all the champions.
I feel like renekton is rather easy to counter in lane now. Stay out of the range of his slice and dice. Ward bushes if you need to. He's still scary in teamfights but his damage drops off considerably after the first 3 seconds of a standard teamfight.
Kassadin can't farm under tower (well he can use his W for 5 seconds... but I don't think people max this) and has no health sustain. MR or being underfed prevent kass from instagibbing anyone.
Shyvana seems to be really strong, but her only attack that can hit far away is her E and you can just hide behind minions for that. She gets really fast with her w, and she can burst squishies down fast. It should be easy to escape from her and harass her in lane. She's really tanky and not afraid to dive you under tower. I don't know what I'd do against her in a teamfight o_0
Vayne. Wow vayne is so strong. I want to buy her! I can see how people carry so hard with her now. I have a better feel for the range of her condemn knockback. Alot of Renektons issues i've been getting around just by jungling him, I'm not sure why it's not seen more he has really fast clear times, stays pretty high and red+w leads to very stronk ganks, he does have an issue with lack of resists but he can still get pretty tanky and just become a throw away initiate at worst. Yeah he seems like a jungle champion. But he has no slow... On January 18 2012 14:41 sermokala wrote:
played against mundo solo top with cho and it was so disheartening to see him regen so much no matter how much I harassed him.
He epic farmed with the cleaver and made my life a living hell for 16 minutes until laning ended. I'm sure the mundo was pissed at you too. You healed every time you killed a minion :p You generally always have red buff and even if not getting a Phage isn't that expensive and you can just go Atmallet instead of Atmogs... That works. BTW isn't it pronounced fratmas?  Atma's Mallet or Frozen Impaler imo
The difference is that Jax, unlike Riven, no longer gets defensive stats from building damage. Riven can afford to build pure AD purely because her shield is ridiculous and gives her insane amounts of EHP. Jax has absolutely nothing. Unless you're going to do some max BT cheese and hope to one shot someone with Q+W+E+R combo I highly doubt you can build her anything like Riven.
I'm thinking you'll probably only be able to build one, maybe two offensive items on Jax, be it Triforce, Gunblade w/e, otherwise you risk being too squishy.
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Why do people who try to build Sejuani as "HEY SHE SCALES OF AP" like an AP carry and not like what she is?
(hint: She's melee. She scales off AP. Since she's melee she scales off HP+resists as well. And off everything that helps her autoattack.)
Her kit is way closer to Rumble or Maokai or even Cho Gath than to either a traditional bruiser or a traditional AP carry.
That means what we want to build is: Health, Resists (hint: high basedamage), AP, autoattack enhancing stats.
RoA -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Abyssal.
Wota -> RoA -> Atmas -> Abyssal.
Wriggles -> Warmogs? Frozen Mallet? SUNFIRE? Only warmogs makes sense here considering how bad FM is even BEFORE you keep in mind that stuff slows scale multiplicative.
Actually, stop, fuck this. Phage proc is worse on us than on other champs and sheen proc is worse.
----> RoA -> PD + Giants Belt -> Atmas/Abyssal -> Warmogs.
Congratulations, this build fulfills everything we originally wanted.
PS: The PD might be better off as a Wits End and obviously you want to get defensive item of your choice to win lane first in a lot of cases.
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I like this color blind mode even tho im not color blind, more than the normal mode.
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On January 18 2012 17:19 r.Evo wrote:
Why do people who try to build Sejuani as "HEY SHE SCALES OF AP" like an AP carry and not like what she is?
(hint: She's melee. She scales off AP. Since she's melee she scales off HP+resists as well. And off everything that helps her autoattack.)
Her kit is way closer to Rumble or Maokai or even Cho Gath than to either a traditional bruiser or a traditional AP carry.
That means what we want to build is: Health, Resists (hint: high basedamage), AP, autoattack enhancing stats.
RoA -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Abyssal.
Wota -> RoA -> Atmas -> Abyssal.
Wriggles -> Warmogs? Frozen Mallet? SUNFIRE? Only warmogs makes sense here considering how bad FM is even BEFORE you keep in mind that stuff slows scale multiplicative.
Actually, stop, fuck this. Phage proc is worse on us than on other champs and sheen proc is worse.
----> RoA -> PD + Giants Belt -> Atmas/Abyssal -> Warmogs.
Congratulations, this build fulfills everything we originally wanted.
PS: The PD might be better off as a Wits End and obviously you want to get defensive item of your choice to win lane first in a lot of cases.
Fizz scales of AP, fizz is melee that means he scales off HP+Resists aswell. Do you build warmogs and atmas after RoA on him aswell?
Her ratios are pretty shitty but if you do choose to build some AP I'd rather get gunblade over atmas.
Dyrus building her full AP atm.
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On January 18 2012 17:49 daemir wrote:
I like this color blind mode even tho im not color blind, more than the normal mode.
I like parts of it. It'd be nice to be able to pick and choose.
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EU been patched, still have my dodge runes, gg riot.
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On January 18 2012 18:02 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 17:19 r.Evo wrote:
Why do people who try to build Sejuani as "HEY SHE SCALES OF AP" like an AP carry and not like what she is?
(hint: She's melee. She scales off AP. Since she's melee she scales off HP+resists as well. And off everything that helps her autoattack.)
Her kit is way closer to Rumble or Maokai or even Cho Gath than to either a traditional bruiser or a traditional AP carry.
That means what we want to build is: Health, Resists (hint: high basedamage), AP, autoattack enhancing stats.
RoA -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Abyssal.
Wota -> RoA -> Atmas -> Abyssal.
Wriggles -> Warmogs? Frozen Mallet? SUNFIRE? Only warmogs makes sense here considering how bad FM is even BEFORE you keep in mind that stuff slows scale multiplicative.
Actually, stop, fuck this. Phage proc is worse on us than on other champs and sheen proc is worse.
----> RoA -> PD + Giants Belt -> Atmas/Abyssal -> Warmogs.
Congratulations, this build fulfills everything we originally wanted.
PS: The PD might be better off as a Wits End and obviously you want to get defensive item of your choice to win lane first in a lot of cases. Fizz scales of AP, fizz is melee that means he scales off HP+Resists aswell. Do you build warmogs and atmas after RoA on him aswell? Her ratios are pretty shitty but if you do choose to build some AP I'd rather get gunblade over atmas. Dyrus building her full AP atm.
Q: 0.4
W: 0.1 PER SECOND (0.2 if you managed to autoattack the other person first hurpdurp)
E: 0.5
R: 0.8
I'd not exactly call that "shitty".
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.4AP ratio for an 11sec cd ability kinda low.
W kinda good if you get the full duration off, .5ap for an 11sec cd not too impressive either.
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On January 18 2012 18:05 JackDino wrote:
EU been patched, still have my dodge runes, gg riot.
My dodge runes got refunded way before this patch, must be like two weeks ago (EU west). Talk to their support and you'll probably get a refund no problem
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Maokai's rates are far from shitty as well, but in no way that means you should build him as a pure AP carry. With the core of your kit being melee range, there's hardly a way for you to do any damage without building tanky. Abyssal and Rylai's are the only things you're allowed to build on such champs on the AP route.
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Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.
Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.
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On January 18 2012 18:10 BluzMan wrote:
Maokai's rates are far from shitty as well, but in no way that means you should build him as a pure AP carry. With the core of your kit being melee range, there's hardly a way for you to do any damage without building tanky. Abyssal and Rylai's are the only things you're allowed to build on such champs on the AP route.
Wat. Rylais on Maokai is pretty stupid. Q slows anyway, E is AoE and his W is his W.
RoA -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Fon #1 fat maokai build.
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On January 18 2012 18:16 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 18:10 BluzMan wrote:
Maokai's rates are far from shitty as well, but in no way that means you should build him as a pure AP carry. With the core of your kit being melee range, there's hardly a way for you to do any damage without building tanky. Abyssal and Rylai's are the only things you're allowed to build on such champs on the AP route. Wat. Rylais on Maokai is pretty stupid. Q slows anyway, E is AoE and his W is his W. RoA -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Fon #1 fat maokai build.
I meant melee champions with good AP rates as a class. Rylai's doesn't work on Maokai, but it works on Amumu. Shouldn't be working on Sejuani as well. And I forgot RoA for the mana starved guys.
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On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.
Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.
If anything, Dyrus team was lacking late game potential. Sure graves beats EZ late game, but who doesn't (not to mention graves was fully built + pots by then, ez wasn't). They were ahead by like 15 kills and all three inhibs down and they still had probably closing the deal.
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On January 18 2012 18:18 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 18:16 r.Evo wrote:On January 18 2012 18:10 BluzMan wrote:
Maokai's rates are far from shitty as well, but in no way that means you should build him as a pure AP carry. With the core of your kit being melee range, there's hardly a way for you to do any damage without building tanky. Abyssal and Rylai's are the only things you're allowed to build on such champs on the AP route. Wat. Rylais on Maokai is pretty stupid. Q slows anyway, E is AoE and his W is his W. RoA -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Fon #1 fat maokai build. I meant melee champions with good AP rates as a class. Rylai's doesn't work on Maokai, but it works on Amumu. Shouldn't be working on Sejuani as well. And I forgot RoA for the mana starved guys.
Ah, yeah. That's why I'm like "shes the same as Cho/Maokai in that regard". You can probably build pure tank and still be usefull cause of solid CC (like on Mao/Cho). But IF you decide to add damage/AP you either want cost effective stuff (like RoA) or stuff that helps your autoattacks. (e.g. Wits/Atmas on Cho or Triforce/Atmas on Mao)
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On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.
Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having Graves late game is a death sentence to any team.
Corrected.
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Is it worth doing jungle route and then going back to base to get an oracles? So hard to gank lanes now that I'm gettin to an elo where good players cover themselves with wards. I figure as long as my team plays safe, I can just keep farming jungle to reclaim the cost plus any wards that are placed. (And any ganks I can accomplish!)
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On January 18 2012 17:12 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:38 starfries wrote:Building pure tank on Jax wastes that delicious scaling boost from his ult though. I don't think it's BAD, but it sounds kind of like building atmog's on Riven. edit: agreed on Sheen though, sounds awesome. On January 18 2012 15:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On January 18 2012 15:27 Skithiryx wrote:On January 18 2012 14:59 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On January 18 2012 14:02 Skithiryx wrote:On January 18 2012 13:57 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I played all the free champs this week that I don't normally own.
Correct me on what I'm wrong with, but I feel like I have a much better feel for all the champions.
I feel like renekton is rather easy to counter in lane now. Stay out of the range of his slice and dice. Ward bushes if you need to. He's still scary in teamfights but his damage drops off considerably after the first 3 seconds of a standard teamfight.
Kassadin can't farm under tower (well he can use his W for 5 seconds... but I don't think people max this) and has no health sustain. MR or being underfed prevent kass from instagibbing anyone.
Shyvana seems to be really strong, but her only attack that can hit far away is her E and you can just hide behind minions for that. She gets really fast with her w, and she can burst squishies down fast. It should be easy to escape from her and harass her in lane. She's really tanky and not afraid to dive you under tower. I don't know what I'd do against her in a teamfight o_0
Vayne. Wow vayne is so strong. I want to buy her! I can see how people carry so hard with her now. I have a better feel for the range of her condemn knockback. Alot of Renektons issues i've been getting around just by jungling him, I'm not sure why it's not seen more he has really fast clear times, stays pretty high and red+w leads to very stronk ganks, he does have an issue with lack of resists but he can still get pretty tanky and just become a throw away initiate at worst. Yeah he seems like a jungle champion. But he has no slow... On January 18 2012 14:41 sermokala wrote:
played against mundo solo top with cho and it was so disheartening to see him regen so much no matter how much I harassed him.
He epic farmed with the cleaver and made my life a living hell for 16 minutes until laning ended. I'm sure the mundo was pissed at you too. You healed every time you killed a minion :p You generally always have red buff and even if not getting a Phage isn't that expensive and you can just go Atmallet instead of Atmogs... That works. BTW isn't it pronounced fratmas? Atma's Mallet or Frozen Impaler imo The difference is that Jax, unlike Riven, no longer gets defensive stats from building damage. Riven can afford to build pure AD purely because her shield is ridiculous and gives her insane amounts of EHP. Jax has absolutely nothing. Unless you're going to do some max BT cheese and hope to one shot someone with Q+W+E+R combo I highly doubt you can build her anything like Riven. I'm thinking you'll probably only be able to build one, maybe two offensive items on Jax, be it Triforce, Gunblade w/e, otherwise you risk being too squishy.
Yeah, after trying it out it seems like it's going to be another triforce atmog's champion. So much for variety. I haven't managed to have a game go late enough to get beyond triforce warmog's so I don't know for sure though.
One cool thing is that you destroy Vayne (and other AD carries, but they have more trouble with tanky builds) pretty hard with that dodge.
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On January 18 2012 18:13 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Holy shit Dyrus' second win in a row with girlbearpig! Epic TF backdooring, challenging baron, Graves getting chased by 5 members of enemy team into their base (and escaping!). 2 gud. 2 gud.
Late game though you could really see that Graves was much stronger than Ez. Not having a real AD carry late game is a death sentence to any team.
I loved their comment of "I used to have this game won, but then I took a snowflake to the knee"
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