EPTYes I mad. I paid 6300 for this champ only for her to be focused every fight and laughed at in lane because she gets out ranged and bursted unless you're fed by bad enemies.
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
Yes I mad. I paid 6300 for this champ only for her to be focused every fight and laughed at in lane because she gets out ranged and bursted unless you're fed by bad enemies. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:52 AwayFromLife wrote: How the hell do people consider Vayne a good champ? Short range, squishy, single target only champion who needs to auto attack repeatedly to be useful. If the enemy team even knows what "focus fire" means, she's completely useless 100% of the time since she has no escapes or defensive maneuvers aside from a short stealth that doesn't last more than a couple seconds. Yes I mad. I paid 6300 for this champ only for her to be focused every fight and laughed at in lane because she gets out ranged and bursted unless you're fed by bad enemies. That can be said about a lot of the ADs lol. Vayne is like an ad carry with an assassin kit, fkin dumb. Position correctly and you won't get focus fired unless they have like a noc and a talon on their team, stupid shit like that. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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koreasilver
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:52 AwayFromLife wrote: How the hell do people consider Vayne a good champ? Short range, squishy, single target only champion who needs to auto attack repeatedly to be useful. If the enemy team even knows what "focus fire" means, she's completely useless 100% of the time since she has no escapes or defensive maneuvers aside from a short stealth that doesn't last more than a couple seconds. Yes I mad. I paid 6300 for this champ only for her to be focused every fight and laughed at in lane because she gets out ranged and bursted unless you're fed by bad enemies. People consider Vayne a good champ because she is. True Damage. Tumble. She just wrecks shit. She's not meant to sit back in lane a lob bombs from the fountain like Kog, she's meant to healthbar you by tumbling around and catching you out of position. Kind of like Shaco. Kind of like Akali. She's more of a ranged assassin than anything else. If you try to play her like Ashe, you're gonna fail. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
I'm really good at killing supports though. Oh, except Sona. And Taric. And Soraka. And Leona. The only times I find her good is if I get fed easy kills early on or if I don't participate in fights at all except to pick off stragglers. Might as well play Karthus in that regard. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Assassins don't initiate at all. You clean up for your team. Your scenario doesn't even make sense. If this is a 1v1, how do you lose full health vs half unless they're 3+ levels above you with superior items. In that case, why you even fighting? If you're diving for a kill and dying before you secure the kill, perhaps you shouldn't rambo. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 05 2012 05:16 AwayFromLife wrote: Out of position. That's funny, considering whenever you jump on someone they can take out your health in about 3 hits, and you have to be in range because she's barely longer than melee. I can't count the number of times I've jumped on someone (me at full, them at half), and they burst me to dead before I can get more than 3 shots off. So good. I'm really good at killing supports though. Oh, except Sona. And Taric. And Soraka. And Leona. The only times I find her good is if I get fed easy kills early on or if I don't participate in fights at all except to pick off stragglers. Might as well play Karthus in that regard. You are doing something really wrong then. Vayne is just about the best 1v1 ad carry in the game. Based on your descriptions of your play in your posts you are either a) failing your mechanics or b) not farming very well at all. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 05 2012 05:16 AwayFromLife wrote: Out of position. That's funny, considering whenever you jump on someone they can take out your health in about 3 hits, and you have to be in range because she's barely longer than melee. I can't count the number of times I've jumped on someone (me at full, them at half), and they burst me to dead before I can get more than 3 shots off. So good. I'm really good at killing supports though. Oh, except Sona. And Taric. And Soraka. And Leona. The only times I find her good is if I get fed easy kills early on or if I don't participate in fights at all except to pick off stragglers. Might as well play Karthus in that regard. She is not good to fight against any other AD carry in a 1vs1, Graves crush her, ashe too, cait too. But she is just the best AD of the game if you can hit without being hit in return or against most of the close range fighter except maybe nocturne, talon and Irelia - the passiv is just so strong mid/late game and her ulti gives her a great boost on everything, not to mention that condemn can give you a freekill or can just get someone out of your sight. You just need to know how to play her, while hero such as Graves or Cait are just so dumb. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
There are like, 10 champions in the game that don't have the necessary burst or CC to take Vayne in a straight fight. All you have to do is stay away from walls to avoid the stun and damage from E, CC her, and walk away or combo her dead. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 05 2012 05:23 WhiteDog wrote: She is not good to fight against any other AD carry in a 1vs1, Graves crush her, ashe too, cait too. But she is just the best AD of the game if you can hit without being hit in return or against most of the close range fighter except maybe nocturne, talon and Irelia - the passiv is just so strong mid/late game and her ulti gives her a great boost on everything, not to mention that condemn can give you a freekill or can just get someone out of your sight. You just need to know how to play her, while hero such as Graves or Cait are just so dumb. huh? she murders people in 1v1s. dafuck are you talking about? | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 05 2012 05:16 AwayFromLife wrote: Out of position. That's funny, considering whenever you jump on someone they can take out your health in about 3 hits, and you have to be in range because she's barely longer than melee. I can't count the number of times I've jumped on someone (me at full, them at half), and they burst me to dead before I can get more than 3 shots off. So good. I'm really good at killing supports though. Oh, except Sona. And Taric. And Soraka. And Leona. The only times I find her good is if I get fed easy kills early on or if I don't participate in fights at all except to pick off stragglers. Might as well play Karthus in that regard. Ya. You're right. Vayne sucks and is never picked in high ELO or tournament games at all... Oh wait. The problem isn't the champion bro. If you wanna be the guy that jumps in and initiates fights, play Amumu. Claybe is an Assassin. If you jump on an Annie or a Leblanc and she blows her load on you, you're probably gonna die. But if you wait for a proper engagement, and position yourself properly, you'll get a quadrakill. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 05 2012 05:27 AwayFromLife wrote: Same level, similar items. Go in. GP shot crits me for half my health. Lee Sin bursts me down and then Q's me for 20% of my health. Riven is Riven. Brand instastuns and walks away under tower. Akali bursts and invis's. Graves QR free armor and AS. Cait jumps away and QR outrange. Xerath instastun and RRR for healthbar. There are like, 10 champions in the game that don't have the necessary burst or CC to take Vayne in a straight fight. All you have to do is stay away from walls to avoid the stun and damage from E, CC her, and walk away or combo her dead. Vayne is one of the few hero where you really need to brain out when to engage or not, but aside from that, she is maybe the only hero that can take out a tank or an off tank the easy way. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Edit: I think this is why a lot of new Vayne players are bad at the champ. You see good players win every fight they go in to, and you think you can do the same, but you don't realize those good players are actually very specifically choosing their engages. Same goes for Shaco and other assassins. It's not "I can win every fight I go in on", it's "I can pick and choose what fights I have a 100% chance to win". | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 05 2012 05:16 AwayFromLife wrote: Out of position. That's funny, considering whenever you jump on someone they can take out your health in about 3 hits, and you have to be in range because she's barely longer than melee. I can't count the number of times I've jumped on someone (me at full, them at half), and they burst me to dead before I can get more than 3 shots off. So good. I'm really good at killing supports though. Oh, except Sona. And Taric. And Soraka. And Leona. The only times I find her good is if I get fed easy kills early on or if I don't participate in fights at all except to pick off stragglers. Might as well play Karthus in that regard. You don't jump on someone as ranged ad, that's what bruisers do... From the way you describe it seems that you are playing her wrong. And playing every single ranged AD wrong. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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