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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 31 2011 23:46 GMT
#501
Honestly I'd probably just buy catalysts and negatrons and only one Odyn's Veil. The extra cost you pay is mostly for the passive (and some paltry hp/mana), and it's not like inventory slots are sparse in dominion.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 23:48:14
December 31 2011 23:47 GMT
#502
Building mr on ryze is simple- just build a tear, then a cata, then a banshees, then just build a warmogs. Mr+stupidly huge healthpool= makes every ap caster in the game sad. If you still need mr just get a Fon.

Although that only works on SR cuz dominion is a stupid game mode that wasted riots resources for 1.5 years.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 31 2011 23:52 GMT
#503
I thought Ryze build 99% of the time was something along the lines of Tear -> Cata -> BV or Glacial Shroud -> Finish BV/Frozen Heart -> WotA/Void -> turn Tear into AA.

Why would you ever need more than just a BV? I mean, I guess if they have like 4 AP carries but that's not really the norm.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
January 01 2012 00:16 GMT
#504
It's not like you have team fights in Dominion anyway.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 00:32:25
January 01 2012 00:31 GMT
#505
Mogs on ryze is stupid good. He is so tanky already, and what to you really need besides tear-bv-boots-glacial-wota/void?

Mogs just makes him even better cuz it scales with his resists.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 01 2012 00:32 GMT
#506
Only bot lane doesn't have team fight in Dominion, rest of the time it's 2-4vs 2-4 all the time top. I think double wota could be good on Dominion too, but people rarely play champions that benefit from Wota, Kennen and Rumble are pretty rare.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
January 01 2012 00:45 GMT
#507
On January 01 2012 09:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Mogs on ryze is stupid good. He is so tanky already, and what to you really need besides tear-bv-boots-glacial-wota/void?

Mogs just makes him even better cuz it scales with his resists.

Wouldn't WotA AND void be better though? I guess that sometimes you don't need void, and that warmogs makes him tanky just like wota. Still, you do think thats better?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 01 2012 00:54 GMT
#508
On January 01 2012 08:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
well cleanse used to be basically what qss is today and qss can remove karthus ult afaik so...


Wait what. Are you sure about this? I once had an entire team build QSS against our fed Karthus and I recall reading up if that really worked and finding out it didn't. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 01 2012 01:06 GMT
#509
On January 01 2012 09:54 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 08:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
well cleanse used to be basically what qss is today and qss can remove karthus ult afaik so...


Wait what. Are you sure about this? I once had an entire team build QSS against our fed Karthus and I recall reading up if that really worked and finding out it didn't. =P

hmm no clue tbh. i'll have to test it.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 01 2012 01:10 GMT
#510
On January 01 2012 09:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Mogs on ryze is stupid good. He is so tanky already, and what to you really need besides tear-bv-boots-glacial-wota/void?

Mogs just makes him even better cuz it scales with his resists.


It was a dominion game. You can't build warmogs on dominion.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 01 2012 01:37 GMT
#511
I feel like rod of ages would be better anyways.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 01:45:11
January 01 2012 01:38 GMT
#512
Lol TheOddOne had an awesome Baron steal with Pantheon. Hops onto Morde to get closer gets tossed by Singed into range spears baron and smites for the steal. Still probably going to lose.
Edit: Nvm Tristina carries after killing the Morde.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 01 2012 01:53 GMT
#513
On January 01 2012 05:44 Shikyo wrote:
you can't compare like that because for quints everything is at its strongest and theres other good options whereas with seals you're reduced to merely defensive options and cant effectively use the slots for say ad or apen

yeah defensive options so useless for a support

I honestly have no idea what you are saying
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 02:09:53
January 01 2012 02:09 GMT
#514
GP10 have been heavily favored for all supports for a long time. Current standard set up is armor reds, gp10 yellows, gp10 quints, and MR blues.
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Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 01 2012 02:44 GMT
#515
So what were Odd One and IWillDominate fighting about?
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
January 01 2012 02:57 GMT
#516
On January 01 2012 08:14 Offhand wrote:
How do I build MR on Ryze? I played a Dom game today against a 4 AP team and just built 2 (assembling the third as we won) Odin's Veils. Sure I don't get the use bonus, but its stacking all the stats I want.


Is it top or bot Ryze? Makes a big diff.

My take for top: stack 2 veils, but leave the 2nd as cata and nega until you need the extra item slot. Half the time I don't need it cos 2 cata 2 nega vs 4 AP = you win game so early.

Also get mercs. Also 2nd veil > fon. I would say "stack health" is a good way to think about it but what health are you gonna stack? Sometimes I get a third (or fourth!) cata (if I'm pressing a huge advantage into a win), sometimes a giant's belt (if I have like 1200 gold and I know it's the last time I'm ever gonna shop). You have not much time to charge roa on dom anyways so might as well turn the cata into another veil if you against heavy ap. Veil stacks health, mana, and mr, all the stuff you want.

Extra cost of 2nd veil is 341 gold, and you're paying for slotting it into one slot.

it's not like inventory slots are sparse in dominion

my first coffee-spewing moment of the new year! :D If I had 7 slots instead of 6 I could abuse it so hard it's not even funny. But I agree that after the first veil you just stack catas and negas *first*.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 01 2012 03:04 GMT
#517
On January 01 2012 04:38 Haemonculus wrote:
Oh, so what are solid support runepages? I have 3 at the moment:

Taric: armor reds/yellows, mr/lvl blues, gp10 quints. (Be nice and durable, cdr never seemed too appealing on him with his already high cooldowns)

Soraka: armor reds, ??? yellows (AP maybe? more armor?) CDR blues, gp10 quints. No need for mana, but what yellows for her?

Janna: armor reds, mp5 yellows, CDR or AP/lvl blues, gp10 quints.

What other combos are really useful? Are gp10 quints worth replacing on any support page? Does Soraka benefit more from AP/lvl blues, or CDR blues? Should I invest in gp10 yellows, or run like AP yellows on her for more heals? More CDR mebbe?

I run similar support runes, which are
flat armor reds
gold p 10 yellows
mr/lvl blues
gp10 quints.
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 01 2012 03:07 GMT
#518
On January 01 2012 07:15 BlackPaladin wrote:
AP janna is fucking beast. We'd run her in TL team comps a lot. We'd generally run something like nocturne with her and then noct just dives in balls deep with like 400 AD and a 500 hp shield and just instakills the enemy carry lol. And noct can take all your farm later since you're like zilean, a more support-centric AP mid, so he can grow all big and strong come lategame.

If a fight goes bad you ult and everyone on your team is full hp again within 2 seconds. It's so stupid rofl.

And no Shikyo, back then we just argued that your build was bad (that rageblade hextech crap you were trying to say was the best).

Psh, AP janna, what a joke. all about Ad janna. Like this game today, i played.

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liftlift > tsm
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
January 01 2012 03:19 GMT
#519
So apparently malphite just destroys wukong in lane. I guess it shouldn't really be surprising. He jumps in on you and q's you and... barely breaks your shield. By the time he can do it again your shield back up. Plus you can e/q/beat on him every time he jumps, or tries to get creep, or anything really. Only problem is how malph just always pushed his lane so eventually wukong can hug turret, tho you can dive with your jungle for damage and wukong isnt great at clearing waves.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 01 2012 03:45 GMT
#520
On January 01 2012 12:19 Treadmill wrote:
So apparently malphite just destroys wukong in lane. I guess it shouldn't really be surprising. He jumps in on you and q's you and... barely breaks your shield. By the time he can do it again your shield back up. Plus you can e/q/beat on him every time he jumps, or tries to get creep, or anything really. Only problem is how malph just always pushed his lane so eventually wukong can hug turret, tho you can dive with your jungle for damage and wukong isnt great at clearing waves.

malphite's still a stupid strong laner. Q harass is really good and E neuters most other top solos when they try to trade with you. He went out of favor after all his nerfs and sustain champs who could outsustain his harass got really popular. Most of said sustain champs have been nerfed and less top laners have mad sustain so Malphite is pretty good in lane now.

I still like him in jungle better tho. He clears so fast and his ganks are quite strong.
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