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On January 15 2012 09:00 Alaric wrote:
I've never really felt threatened by any Morgana I saw. One beat me, but I played badly (and now I want to smartcast Q on Gragas). I'm also arguably at a quite lower level than most of you, but they always seem to assume "Oh it's Morg, ez modo, I don't have to try hard" and thus not be able to do that well if the game isn't handed to them.
The thing about Morg though is that she probably won't kill you in lane unless you fuck up. All she has to do to win the lane though is play smart and even then she can play a little reckless and still out CS you and not die to you. Her mid and late game is really strong and she has one of the best ults for any AP carry not to mention the massive utility she brings to a team.
So while she won't crush lanes she can easily out CS you and still find time to gank your top or bottom while being a monster midgame and late game champ. She isn't like 100% our team wins cause we have Morgana or anything like that it's just that she really has very few bad match ups and even her "bad match ups" she can still survive in lane.
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you guys should watch more good morgs play like loci. those are the shit morgs that just durp around and get cs. If I have a matchup that isnt bad im going to zone the shit out of you and continually try to hit qs before i heal up with W. She is a gank proof character and you should treat her like one, if you hit 1 Q its a kill. shes not the down syndrome non killing character you make her out to be, i frequently get kills in lane.
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Morg should get destroyed in lane by any competent ahri.
Even if she lands a bind on you her ult wont get the second tick off btw.
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On January 15 2012 08:22 hustling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote:
After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold. At level 18 doesn't the Augment: Death give you +99 AP. Is that not worth it?
Pretty much any of your late-game items is going to be worth more than just +99 AP and 30% damage increase on 1 spell.
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On January 15 2012 09:19 Cloud wrote:
Morg should get destroyed in lane by any competent ahri.
Even if she lands a bind on you her ult wont get the second tick off btw.
her skillshots are too slow, but i agree you wont be able to kill ahri. really hard to die to though.
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On January 15 2012 09:11 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 09:00 Alaric wrote:
I've never really felt threatened by any Morgana I saw. One beat me, but I played badly (and now I want to smartcast Q on Gragas). I'm also arguably at a quite lower level than most of you, but they always seem to assume "Oh it's Morg, ez modo, I don't have to try hard" and thus not be able to do that well if the game isn't handed to them. The thing about Morg though is that she probably won't kill you in lane unless you fuck up. All she has to do to win the lane though is play smart and even then she can play a little reckless and still out CS you and not die to you. Her mid and late game is really strong and she has one of the best ults for any AP carry not to mention the massive utility she brings to a team. So while she won't crush lanes she can easily out CS you and still find time to gank your top or bottom while being a monster midgame and late game champ. She isn't like 100% our team wins cause we have Morgana or anything like that it's just that she really has very few bad match ups and even her "bad match ups" she can still survive in lane.
I know that, I was more talking about the:
On January 15 2012 09:19 Brees wrote:
you guys should watch more good morgs play like loci. those are the shit morgs that just durp around and get cs.
I feel like said shit morgs far outnumber good ones, which is what I'm saying since the beginning and why I think she shouldn't get banned. At least a the level I play at, I know I never regret it whenever a Morg slip by in the enemy team.
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I would LOVE for someone to post a decent morg replay. Ahri has pretty much replaced morg on the ban list and I see her unpicked quite often in ranked. I know loci has a replay folder but the games are quite outdated.
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Why do low level players think Amumu is ridiculously strong? I duo queued a normal with a buddy who is only level 21.
I get captain, and didn't ban Mummy because he isn't ban worthy despite the cries of all four. Lock in Jungle Shy and instantly get yelled at for picking Shy instead of Mumu, and tell them all that if the other teams jungler picks Mumu we autowin because he won't be able to keep up.
They pick jungle Amumu, I'm loling, but my team is... in distress. I calm them down and make them come invade jungle with me where we FB Mumu and give our Kennen his blue. I then killed big wolve, Wraith, Golem, and left a ward at red. Took my blue. I then camped top and mid while just hunting Mumu all game, ending with us winning at 16 minutes.
I say "remember when I said Mumu wasn't that good?" and whole team just lols and said this was a bad Amumu. Seriously, why do people think he is good in the first place? All he has is CC and tankiness if that. Can't lane, falls behind in new jungle, and even if you are competent enough to farm with him in new jungle he is stupidly Blue dependant until he has Philo plus; sure he has decent ganks, but he leaves his mid at a disadvantage and can't farm with Junglers like Shy/Skarner/Maokai/Udyr/LeeSin.
He's just... out classed and team reliant imo.
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why do you base your opinion on amumu by being able to counter jungle people who arent even lvl 30 yet?
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Loci shen on dyrus' stream right now.
Yes I am a fan boy (of loci not dyrus).
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On January 15 2012 10:09 iCanada wrote:
Why do low level players think Amumu is ridiculously strong? I duo queued a normal with a buddy who is only level 21.
I get captain, and didn't ban Mummy because he isn't ban worthy despite the cries of all four. Lock in Jungle Shy and instantly get yelled at for picking Shy instead of Mumu, and tell them all that if the other teams jungler picks Mumu we autowin because he won't be able to keep up.
They pick jungle Amumu, I'm loling, but my team is... in distress. I calm them down and make them come invade jungle with me where we FB Mumu and give our Kennen his blue. I then killed big wolve, Wraith, Golem, and left a ward at red. Took my blue. I then camped top and mid while just hunting Mumu all game, ending with us winning at 16 minutes.
I say "remember when I said Mumu wasn't that good?" and whole team just lols and said this was a bad Amumu. Seriously, why do people think he is good in the first place? All he has is CC and tankiness if that. Can't lane, falls behind in new jungle, and even if you are competent enough to farm with him in new jungle he is stupidly Blue dependant until he has Philo plus; sure he has decent ganks, but he leaves his mid at a disadvantage and can't farm with Junglers like Shy/Skarner/Maokai/Udyr/LeeSin.
He's just... out classed and team reliant imo.
I asked after being like WTF when he was 1st ban in 5 games in a row on a smurf, and they are all just afraid of his ult.
Which makes no sense really as plenty of champs have ults just as crazy in teamfights and kennen etc. are never banned.
Its also funny because every time I see Amumu played at like 1200ELO they miss every toss and are completely worthless.
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Amumu is basically the only champ that's ALWAYS been banned by low Elo.
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On January 15 2012 10:22 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 10:09 iCanada wrote:
Why do low level players think Amumu is ridiculously strong? I duo queued a normal with a buddy who is only level 21.
I get captain, and didn't ban Mummy because he isn't ban worthy despite the cries of all four. Lock in Jungle Shy and instantly get yelled at for picking Shy instead of Mumu, and tell them all that if the other teams jungler picks Mumu we autowin because he won't be able to keep up.
They pick jungle Amumu, I'm loling, but my team is... in distress. I calm them down and make them come invade jungle with me where we FB Mumu and give our Kennen his blue. I then killed big wolve, Wraith, Golem, and left a ward at red. Took my blue. I then camped top and mid while just hunting Mumu all game, ending with us winning at 16 minutes.
I say "remember when I said Mumu wasn't that good?" and whole team just lols and said this was a bad Amumu. Seriously, why do people think he is good in the first place? All he has is CC and tankiness if that. Can't lane, falls behind in new jungle, and even if you are competent enough to farm with him in new jungle he is stupidly Blue dependant until he has Philo plus; sure he has decent ganks, but he leaves his mid at a disadvantage and can't farm with Junglers like Shy/Skarner/Maokai/Udyr/LeeSin.
He's just... out classed and team reliant imo. I asked after being like WTF when he was 1st ban in 5 games in a row on a smurf, and they are all just afraid of his ult. Which makes no sense really as plenty of champs have ults just as crazy in teamfights and kennen etc. are never banned. Its also funny because every time I see Amumu played at like 1200ELO they miss every toss and are completely worthless.
I know, I don't really understand... He a hard champion to play right yet low skill level players think he is god. Thats so backwards it is ridiculous.
Hell, even his ulti isn't that great unless you are on a really coordinated team. I'd much rather have like... half the ultis in the game in a team fight than than Curse of the Sad Mummy. Idk man.
On January 15 2012 10:14 turdburgler wrote:
why do you base your opinion on amumu by being able to counter jungle people who arent even lvl 30 yet?
That isn't what I base my opinion of Amumu on. I don't think he is that good in any players hands compared to other champs in the pool, thing is that low levels players have him on a god tier all by himself for some odd reason.
Hell, even at high ELO's I don't think Amumu can counter jungle or even respond to counter jungling anywhere near many many other champs in the pool. How does an Amumu bounce back to losing a blue buff? Does he just not farm? Does he try and pull half his team to steal my blue buff? Or does he just roll over and get wrecked?
Put Skarner/Shyvana in the same situation, they just out farm you anyway. Shaco/Maokai can gank ridiculously well even if they are underfarmed/leveled.
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low level players will always hold stupid opinions, its one of the reasons they are bad. the question is why you reinforce your argument by clarifying that it was against bad people then use it to make judgements on amumu : D a lot of people agree that amumu is trash because he can be counter jungled so easily, but i like him. late game he is a real strong tank. and since rammus is on 100% ban in ranked i like amumu as a second choice
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Mummy and pretty much every other tank-like tanky dps is op in low elo because they cant farm. Its REALLY hard to kill someone like amumu or shen if you dont farm, especially when you consider that they are made to lock you down. So you end up with the 4 underfed morons on your team killing all 5 of the underfed morons on their team with a head start.
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On January 15 2012 10:53 turdburgler wrote:
low level players will always hold stupid opinions, its one of the reasons they are bad. the question is why you reinforce your argument by clarifying that it was against bad people then use it to make judgements on amumu : D a lot of people agree that amumu is trash because he can be counter jungled so easily, but i like him. late game he is a real strong tank. and since rammus is on 100% ban in ranked i like amumu as a second choice
Haha, I guess this is a solid point. Chances are I would have had 20 kills regardless of who I or anyone else picked.
/shrug
I do think that any decent Jungler will be able to counter jungle, and just having "don't let it happen" as the only plan isn't that smart. Its kind of like 9 pooling every game in hopes you get up the ramp. "Damn I hope he doesn't do this strategy that is really good against me..." *Crosses Fingers*
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but its a relative scale, i dont think anyone can counter jungle lee sin, assuming equal or 0 team help because he just wrecks at low levels, does that mean that noone can counter jungle except lee sin? nope. amumu may or may not be at the bottom of the ladder but hes not the only hero you will play who suffers from being counter jungled.
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I just tried the 200 cs by 20 minute test. I only got 145. Well I got 146 when I checked at 20:01.  I fail at CSing. Stupid ping.
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can do the 200 by 20 vs bots but never vs real people generally more around 150 at 20mins
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The world of ELO is a strange one indeed.
Im kinda curious as to why Galio isn't picked at that ELO.
Is it because of skillshots? Is it because no one gets Galio for some reason ? (The price is probably the factor) Idk and frankly they can own with amumu with dat ult apparantly.
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