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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
January 15 2012 04:05 GMT
#4261
Just me or server lag like balls?
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
January 15 2012 04:27 GMT
#4262
On January 15 2012 13:05 CeriseCherries wrote:
Just me or server lag like balls?

holy fuck yes
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
January 15 2012 04:30 GMT
#4263
On January 15 2012 12:52 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:42 LoCicero wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:39 starfries wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:35 LoCicero wrote:
If you guys are last pick in a 2.2k elo game, please for the love of God listen to your first pick. They probably know what they are talking about. I just had a Trynd make an utter fool of himself. When he died to a gank I went to his lane so I didn't miss the cannon creep xp. Instantly I was "pushing his lane" and "trash." When he lost his tower he froze his lane without understanding the repercussions of it and we ended up losing all map control as their kennen ran around the map while we were 4v5.

Ultimately, be open to learning from higher elo players. Chances are they know what they're talking about.

What's the right way to play that? If you get raped top and lose your tower should you just ward up and push to keep map pressure?


If you're pushed to your tower and the other laner is mia, push your lane back and help your team out. If you notice he is somewhere else on the map take his tower. Punish his team for not having someone in the lane. The faster you push the faster you farm. When you freeze a lane you cs very slowly and don't really deny the other team much because they are getting map objectives with a man advantage.

What if the other laner can just straight up kill you without the tower? I had one game not long ago as Olaf vs Riven top, where Riven double killed us top because of a really bad level 2 tower dive by the jungler. After that the lane was basically done and my tower went down, but if I pushed up to her tower and she showed up, she could chase me down and kill me before I could get back to my second tower.


Grab some wards then.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
January 15 2012 04:48 GMT
#4264
On January 15 2012 13:30 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:52 starfries wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:42 LoCicero wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:39 starfries wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:35 LoCicero wrote:
If you guys are last pick in a 2.2k elo game, please for the love of God listen to your first pick. They probably know what they are talking about. I just had a Trynd make an utter fool of himself. When he died to a gank I went to his lane so I didn't miss the cannon creep xp. Instantly I was "pushing his lane" and "trash." When he lost his tower he froze his lane without understanding the repercussions of it and we ended up losing all map control as their kennen ran around the map while we were 4v5.

Ultimately, be open to learning from higher elo players. Chances are they know what they're talking about.

What's the right way to play that? If you get raped top and lose your tower should you just ward up and push to keep map pressure?


If you're pushed to your tower and the other laner is mia, push your lane back and help your team out. If you notice he is somewhere else on the map take his tower. Punish his team for not having someone in the lane. The faster you push the faster you farm. When you freeze a lane you cs very slowly and don't really deny the other team much because they are getting map objectives with a man advantage.

What if the other laner can just straight up kill you without the tower? I had one game not long ago as Olaf vs Riven top, where Riven double killed us top because of a really bad level 2 tower dive by the jungler. After that the lane was basically done and my tower went down, but if I pushed up to her tower and she showed up, she could chase me down and kill me before I could get back to my second tower.


Grab some wards then.


I've always had trouble with finding a place to ward at top lane after the death of first tower.
Say I'm on the team on the bottom left side (blue?), and I wanna ward for top lane. Where do I ward?
I feel like if I ward at our blue tribush they can stil gank me, and if I ward river they can take jungle route.
Does this mean I will need 2 wards?
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
January 15 2012 04:53 GMT
#4265
ya pretty much you need 2 wards or your mid needs to ward
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 15 2012 04:55 GMT
#4266
Soo, it seems that Triforce is a no-brainer on the new Jax. I'll probably play him with Wriggleforce like I did when I was experimenting with non-gunblade builds. Wriggles was great on him and will be great. Triforce was great on him and will be even better with 3 sec CD on W so you can Sheen proc everyone to death. Decreased CD on W means that AP will be a more viable stat overall so Sheen should be really really good.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 15 2012 05:04 GMT
#4267
On January 15 2012 13:48 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 13:30 LoCicero wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:52 starfries wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:42 LoCicero wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:39 starfries wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:35 LoCicero wrote:
If you guys are last pick in a 2.2k elo game, please for the love of God listen to your first pick. They probably know what they are talking about. I just had a Trynd make an utter fool of himself. When he died to a gank I went to his lane so I didn't miss the cannon creep xp. Instantly I was "pushing his lane" and "trash." When he lost his tower he froze his lane without understanding the repercussions of it and we ended up losing all map control as their kennen ran around the map while we were 4v5.

Ultimately, be open to learning from higher elo players. Chances are they know what they're talking about.

What's the right way to play that? If you get raped top and lose your tower should you just ward up and push to keep map pressure?


If you're pushed to your tower and the other laner is mia, push your lane back and help your team out. If you notice he is somewhere else on the map take his tower. Punish his team for not having someone in the lane. The faster you push the faster you farm. When you freeze a lane you cs very slowly and don't really deny the other team much because they are getting map objectives with a man advantage.

What if the other laner can just straight up kill you without the tower? I had one game not long ago as Olaf vs Riven top, where Riven double killed us top because of a really bad level 2 tower dive by the jungler. After that the lane was basically done and my tower went down, but if I pushed up to her tower and she showed up, she could chase me down and kill me before I could get back to my second tower.


Grab some wards then.


I've always had trouble with finding a place to ward at top lane after the death of first tower.
Say I'm on the team on the bottom left side (blue?), and I wanna ward for top lane. Where do I ward?
I feel like if I ward at our blue tribush they can stil gank me, and if I ward river they can take jungle route.
Does this mean I will need 2 wards?


For the left side you can ward the blue entrance at baron. The other entrance (their wraiths / left of mid brush) should be covered by a different ward.

Or you ward their tribrush and their wraiths, same result.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
JMC4
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States261 Posts
January 15 2012 05:21 GMT
#4268

Ok so my cousin and I were playing a game of lol the other day and we got crushed. It's not that we played bad it was just that we played against some players that were more skilled than us. After the game my cousin asked me what the subtitles of being extremely good like that are. I have no idea, what does separate the good players from guys like me. I know obviously minion farming is important but aside from that do they just have better game sense? What is it that separates the best from the rest?
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 05:25:27
January 15 2012 05:23 GMT
#4269
holy shit the lag fest tonight on NA...


was playing singed and I would lag out near their base then would be spam clicking my own base 30seconds later I like flash across the whole map and see "double kill" when at the start of the lag no one was near me ^ ^
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 15 2012 05:30 GMT
#4270
Yeah something has been up with the servers this past week...
Maybe Riot snuck some code having to do with the upcoming drop-in spectating in the last patch and it's fucking with things...? Or the upcoming patch stuff?


Or it could just be Riot servers being Riot servers....
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 15 2012 05:36 GMT
#4271
On January 15 2012 14:21 JMC4 wrote:

Ok so my cousin and I were playing a game of lol the other day and we got crushed. It's not that we played bad it was just that we played against some players that were more skilled than us. After the game my cousin asked me what the subtitles of being extremely good like that are. I have no idea, what does separate the good players from guys like me. I know obviously minion farming is important but aside from that do they just have better game sense? What is it that separates the best from the rest?


the best way to find out is to read this thread a lot, watch streams a lot, and play the game a lot. getting better is mostly a matter of time investment
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 15 2012 05:39 GMT
#4272
On January 15 2012 14:36 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 14:21 JMC4 wrote:

Ok so my cousin and I were playing a game of lol the other day and we got crushed. It's not that we played bad it was just that we played against some players that were more skilled than us. After the game my cousin asked me what the subtitles of being extremely good like that are. I have no idea, what does separate the good players from guys like me. I know obviously minion farming is important but aside from that do they just have better game sense? What is it that separates the best from the rest?


the best way to find out is to read this thread a lot, watch streams a lot, and play the game a lot. getting better is mostly a matter of time investment


You also have to invest that time into figuring out what mistakes you're making and fixing them. You can put a million hours into a game, but if you never want or try to improve, you never will.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 15 2012 05:40 GMT
#4273
Lvl 2 gank, gp parley and Vayne tumble crit. Insta dead. Really looking forward to this being gone ~_~
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 05:44:51
January 15 2012 05:42 GMT
#4274
On January 15 2012 14:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah something has been up with the servers this past week...
Maybe Riot snuck some code having to do with the upcoming drop-in spectating in the last patch and it's fucking with things...? Or the upcoming patch stuff?


Or it could just be Riot servers being Riot servers....


Sorry for being really clueless but have they announced when we will get the drop-in spectating stuff?

Edit @jcarlsoniv wow that sounds brutal D:
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 05:50:33
January 15 2012 05:47 GMT
#4275
On January 15 2012 14:21 JMC4 wrote:

Ok so my cousin and I were playing a game of lol the other day and we got crushed. It's not that we played bad it was just that we played against some players that were more skilled than us. After the game my cousin asked me what the subtitles of being extremely good like that are. I have no idea, what does separate the good players from guys like me. I know obviously minion farming is important but aside from that do they just have better game sense? What is it that separates the best from the rest?


to name a few:
Positioning (where you need to be in lane to avoid ganks, where you need to be in a fight to avoid dying)
Map awareness/control (ward locations, buff/dragon, needing to be near baron lategame, when to split, when to group)
Matchup knowledge (including teamfights, like if you can poke or not)
Item knowledge (what to open in lane, what to build if behind, what to build if ahead)
Teamfight knowledge (focus targets, initiate, how to counter)
Picks/Counterpicks
How to farm (not just last hitting, but where to be to soak up waves)
Some technical skills (landing combos, walljumping, dodging skillshots)

EDIT:: I think this is why everyone thinks they're so godlike and everyone else is shit. Most people have something they're bad at, even at higher elos, and so everyone picks up on that and thinks 'oh I'm better than them' even if the other person is playing better overall.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 05:47:47
January 15 2012 05:47 GMT
#4276
If they did it would just be their trademark soon. Riot doesn't give dates anymore, because they don't want to disappoint us by giving us false dates anymore. If they don't commit to finishing anything we can't be disappointed right?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 15 2012 05:53 GMT
#4277
On January 15 2012 14:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
If they did it would just be their trademark soon. Riot doesn't give dates anymore, because they don't want to disappoint us by giving us false dates anymore. If they don't commit to finishing anything we can't be disappointed right?


Zzz is riot secretly owned by blizzard?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 15 2012 05:53 GMT
#4278
On January 15 2012 14:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Lvl 2 gank, gp parley and Vayne tumble crit. Insta dead. Really looking forward to this being gone ~_~


You are the 4% ))
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 15 2012 05:54 GMT
#4279
On January 15 2012 12:36 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:28 BlackPaladin wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:19 r.Evo wrote:
On January 15 2012 08:20 57 Corvette wrote:


Someday I hope I can be as good as this guy



Erhm... yes, it looks cool and all but I don't understand his flash. At all. He finished Brand with R+Q+auto if I'm seeing that right. Ulti at that position would have knocked brand into the wall as well. So basicly Q+auto+R would have done EXACTLY the same damage without wasting flash.

Why the fk did he flash and why was it a good play?


Brand e'd him and then sent a q at him. If lee sin just pressed q (he was too close to dodge the brand q by moving from the looks of it) he would have been hit by brand q and stunned. Since flash is instant, he was able to dodge the q stun by flashing behind brand, kick him away, and then q at brand to get out of brand's w and kill him.


If that's the reasoning then him getting into the position of getting Q'd only happened because he was hesitating to Q auto R in the first place.

He hit his Q. He runs around waiting for Brand Q to come out, Brand holds it back just to Q him when he doesn't expect it. I'm not exactly sure how stunning during Q flight works, but it still feels like he misplayed the situation before flashing to avoid Brands Q. :S


I feel like he flashed BEFORE Brands Q... Idk, maybe played a lot of FPS games and have amazing reaction, I just keep seeing it as if he flashed before it lol. Gamble, perhaps?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 15 2012 05:58 GMT
#4280
On January 15 2012 14:54 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:36 r.Evo wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:28 BlackPaladin wrote:
On January 15 2012 12:19 r.Evo wrote:
On January 15 2012 08:20 57 Corvette wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7_-9bNM2r8

Someday I hope I can be as good as this guy



Erhm... yes, it looks cool and all but I don't understand his flash. At all. He finished Brand with R+Q+auto if I'm seeing that right. Ulti at that position would have knocked brand into the wall as well. So basicly Q+auto+R would have done EXACTLY the same damage without wasting flash.

Why the fk did he flash and why was it a good play?


Brand e'd him and then sent a q at him. If lee sin just pressed q (he was too close to dodge the brand q by moving from the looks of it) he would have been hit by brand q and stunned. Since flash is instant, he was able to dodge the q stun by flashing behind brand, kick him away, and then q at brand to get out of brand's w and kill him.


If that's the reasoning then him getting into the position of getting Q'd only happened because he was hesitating to Q auto R in the first place.

He hit his Q. He runs around waiting for Brand Q to come out, Brand holds it back just to Q him when he doesn't expect it. I'm not exactly sure how stunning during Q flight works, but it still feels like he misplayed the situation before flashing to avoid Brands Q. :S


I feel like he flashed BEFORE Brands Q... Idk, maybe played a lot of FPS games and have amazing reaction, I just keep seeing it as if he flashed before it lol. Gamble, perhaps?


He flashes before the projectile appears but you can see brand has already started the cast from the windup animation.
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