On January 15 2012 07:53 Alaric wrote: How do you do it against anything that insta-clear the wave, like Gragas, Viktor, Sion (somewhat, if he's careless his shield's easily blown up), or pushers like Malzahar or Mordekaiser? You can't rely on W unless you tank the creeps. Not saying that's making her bad (she doesn't have the best animation to last hit under tower but still), she just doesn't have anything special anymore against those.
Pros to Morgana lane: Clears waves super fast. Will never die to a gank unless you play super super super retarded. Strong ganking potential due to how fast you clear waves and the fact that you have a snare, slow, and stun.
Cons to Morgana lane: It usually isn't a kill lane, but if you land Q you still have kill potential... ???
At level 5 you kill all three ranged minions with one W. At level 3 your W will kill them with just one auto-attack in conjunction. You shouldn't ever need to last hit under tower, if you do you're playing Morgana wrong. You just said that she's easily fucked in lane. Morgana is the staple AP in my mind for "yeah, this character can handle just about every lane" because of how hard it is to truly fuck a Morgana in lane.
I'm not saying she's a better or worse champion than XYZ. I'm just saying that she's probably the safest AP mid in the game right now and I was curious as to what will easily fuck her in lane.
Saint lost that game with twitch. He's jungling malphite now and is going to win. Also this started playing: knock you out by DJ Tiesto ft. Emily Haines of Metric
On January 15 2012 07:35 Alaric wrote: But I dond't want to counter them, I want to play champs I enjoy playing. Sadly it's hard to put Blitz somewhere other than support, Singed's kinda weak with the power creep trend top, and Morgana's instabanned even tho she's easily fucked up in lane. Well at least my favs aren't Shaco, Rammus and Kassadin.
Blitz top, or jungle is actually pretty good. He's more gimmicky than anything, that's why it's just harder to play with good people. Singed has always been strong. Dyrus will tell you otherwise, because he wants to keep it under wraps, but, jungle Singed is awesome magpen red, flat armor yellow, ap per level blue, flat ap quince. It's fast clear, and awesome ganks with ghost. I don't quite agree with your Morgana statement, unless you counterpick the lane.
On January 15 2012 07:53 Alaric wrote: How do you do it against anything that insta-clear the wave, like Gragas, Viktor, Sion (somewhat, if he's careless his shield's easily blown up), or pushers like Malzahar or Mordekaiser? You can't rely on W unless you tank the creeps. Not saying that's making her bad (she doesn't have the best animation to last hit under tower but still), she just doesn't have anything special anymore against those.
You mean other than having an extremely good mid-late game teamfighting kit that's definitely better than Sion, Viktor, or Mordekaiser, and arguably better than Gragas or Malzahar?
The thing about Morgana is that she doesn't outright lose any of those lanes. They put pressure on her and force her to CS under tower, but they can't kill her, they can't zone her, and they can't deny her any XP or CS. They can only force her back to farming her tower, and then its up to them to put pressure somewhere else--which puts them on a strict clock because if they're not in lane for the next wave, Morgana pushes fast enough against EMPTY lanes to make them lose a wave of CS right away.
That's the thing about Morgana--she's SAFE. She's not going to dominate a lane, but if you take Morgana to lane and aren't terrible with her, you can be 100% certain that you will be able to get your farm and your XP, and that it's almost impossible for you to die if you play properly. From there, her kit is such that mid-lategame you only need to get 1 game-ending binding or ultimate to close out the game.
On January 15 2012 08:00 Brees wrote: a good cass is tough to deal with as morg, besides that she has no bad MUs.
I laned VS a Yorick top two days ago, was annoying as hell. Mid it's ok since your tower is so close, but you can get zoned quite hard if you're top in a double AP comp. Panth must destroy her early as well I think.
After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote: After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
after reading TL for over 5 minutes ive concluded that you should be streaming Q_Q
on the other side of things, they just need to make the sticks he buys upgradable a second time or something to compare to other late game items
and his abilities should have the bonus effects the whole time
On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote: After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
At level 18 doesn't the Augment: Death give you +99 AP. Is that not worth it?
On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote: After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
At level 18 doesn't the Augment: Death give you +99 AP. Is that not worth it?
On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote: After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
At level 18 doesn't the Augment: Death give you +99 AP. Is that not worth it?
And a 30% dmg increase on your death ray.
Still not worth it. The 30% increase is only over 4 seconds, not nearly as good as a straight up 30% damage increase. I would take an hourglass over augment death at the end of a game any day.
On January 15 2012 08:00 Brees wrote: a good cass is tough to deal with as morg, besides that she has no bad MUs.
I laned VS a Yorick top two days ago, was annoying as hell. Mid it's ok since your tower is so close, but you can get zoned quite hard if you're top in a double AP comp. Panth must destroy her early as well I think.
panth is awful vs her since she's one of the APs where hourglass is core on her. Rune pages are handy here since I can just switch my yellows to armor if i see panth mid. get a chain mail and G_G
On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote: After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
At level 18 doesn't the Augment: Death give you +99 AP. Is that not worth it?
is it really 99? :o more than i thought, still nothing crazy though, and when you consider that the 30% thing is basically his passive if you have that augment 99 ap is still weaker than any other late game item
On January 15 2012 08:15 LoCicero wrote: After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.
I just played as tristana with a support alistar and I have to say... it feels good. He let me have the farm so I ended up with a decent CS(for me and 50% higher than anyone else in game) and even though he died in lane before the enemy tryn and pantheon, we ended up zoning them after a later 2-0 exchange. Man... supports... they just rock.
I've never really felt threatened by any Morgana I saw. One beat me, but I played badly (and now I want to smartcast Q on Gragas). I'm also arguably at a quite lower level than most of you, but they always seem to assume "Oh it's Morg, ez modo, I don't have to try hard" and thus not be able to do that well if the game isn't handed to them.
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