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On January 12 2012 12:00 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 11:56 koreasilver wrote:On January 12 2012 11:37 Perplex wrote:On January 12 2012 11:26 57 Corvette wrote:
Does Nidalee who goes ninja tabi > Triforce counter wukong top? might need wriggles in there somewhere but yeah.. AD nidalee can win or go even in pretty much every top lane matchup if played properly. I'm having some trouble understanding AD nidalee. Why exactly is it good? She only has like one skill that scales with AD. Nidalee is Nidalee. You have great map control (traps) and mobility (passive). E in Human Form is great for taking down towers. Q in Cougar is your main execution skill. You sustain damage more than AP Nid (which is burst), less heal (but Wriggle's solves), weaker Spear pokes/stronger Human autos..
consider that pantheon is a bruiser who only has 1 major ad damage ability. the damage you gain from his e is easily replaced by nidalee having 100% uptime on an ad steriod once she gets 20% cdr.
and yet noone questions building ad on pantheon : D
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people just like to see spears take half someone's health bar
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Jax is decent in jungle. Especially with the new passive. No MR though :/
I think before this people had to use wraiths to get a stun.
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On January 12 2012 12:05 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 12:00 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 12 2012 11:56 koreasilver wrote:On January 12 2012 11:37 Perplex wrote:On January 12 2012 11:26 57 Corvette wrote:
Does Nidalee who goes ninja tabi > Triforce counter wukong top? might need wriggles in there somewhere but yeah.. AD nidalee can win or go even in pretty much every top lane matchup if played properly. I'm having some trouble understanding AD nidalee. Why exactly is it good? She only has like one skill that scales with AD. Nidalee is Nidalee. You have great map control (traps) and mobility (passive). E in Human Form is great for taking down towers. Q in Cougar is your main execution skill. You sustain damage more than AP Nid (which is burst), less heal (but Wriggle's solves), weaker Spear pokes/stronger Human autos.. consider that pantheon is a bruiser who only has 1 major ad damage ability. the damage you gain from his e is easily replaced by nidalee having 100% uptime on an ad steriod once she gets 20% cdr. and yet noone questions building ad on pantheon : D
Which one are you not counting, his 1.4 AD ratio ranged nuke or his cone AoE with 3.6 AD ratio?
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Things learned from the spotlight:
1) They removed his passive totally. New passive just gives him half of his ult at level 1, the other half he gets at level 6.
2) The CD on E is 10+ seconds which, unless the damage on it is totally nuts, means it's worse than it have been.
3) His Q and W cannot do more damage than they already did (otherwise it would reverse a recent nerf).
Unless they added better ratios for his skills I cannot see how the new Jax is better than the old Jax but we'll see.
EDIT: Oh, actually his ult adds bonus AD and AP. But the CD on his E at least at skill level 1 is something like 18 seconds. Great, they've made another volibear you can kite all day long since his only CC looks like a 1 second stun on a 18 sec CD.
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On January 12 2012 12:23 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 12:05 turdburgler wrote:On January 12 2012 12:00 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 12 2012 11:56 koreasilver wrote:On January 12 2012 11:37 Perplex wrote:On January 12 2012 11:26 57 Corvette wrote:
Does Nidalee who goes ninja tabi > Triforce counter wukong top? might need wriggles in there somewhere but yeah.. AD nidalee can win or go even in pretty much every top lane matchup if played properly. I'm having some trouble understanding AD nidalee. Why exactly is it good? She only has like one skill that scales with AD. Nidalee is Nidalee. You have great map control (traps) and mobility (passive). E in Human Form is great for taking down towers. Q in Cougar is your main execution skill. You sustain damage more than AP Nid (which is burst), less heal (but Wriggle's solves), weaker Spear pokes/stronger Human autos.. consider that pantheon is a bruiser who only has 1 major ad damage ability. the damage you gain from his e is easily replaced by nidalee having 100% uptime on an ad steriod once she gets 20% cdr. and yet noone questions building ad on pantheon : D Which one are you not counting, his 1.4 AD ratio ranged nuke or his cone AoE with 3.6 AD ratio?
if you hit the whole thing, with its pathetic base damage making it barely noticable during his peak in power. and nidalees q in cougar can have upto a 3.0 ad scaling. but your missing the whole point.
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I think about this game too much. Going to take a break from this thread for a while. I know this doesn't affect any of you personally, I just need to leave a little reminder for myself.
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On January 12 2012 11:58 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
'Sup?
As I thought, dodge duration is more fizz like than trynd-like. The base CD appears to start at 22 seconds and goes down to 12-13 seconds, the dodge buff appears to last about 1.5 seconds.
I find it doubtful that hybrid items will really be worth it on him anymore (huehuehue Kayle remake), but I'm just speculating based on hybrid items falling out of favor in general.
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man, gangplank endgame is so stupid. I think I'm pretty much done playing anyone else top lane.
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On January 12 2012 12:27 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 12:23 Alzadar wrote:On January 12 2012 12:05 turdburgler wrote:On January 12 2012 12:00 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 12 2012 11:56 koreasilver wrote:On January 12 2012 11:37 Perplex wrote:On January 12 2012 11:26 57 Corvette wrote:
Does Nidalee who goes ninja tabi > Triforce counter wukong top? might need wriggles in there somewhere but yeah.. AD nidalee can win or go even in pretty much every top lane matchup if played properly. I'm having some trouble understanding AD nidalee. Why exactly is it good? She only has like one skill that scales with AD. Nidalee is Nidalee. You have great map control (traps) and mobility (passive). E in Human Form is great for taking down towers. Q in Cougar is your main execution skill. You sustain damage more than AP Nid (which is burst), less heal (but Wriggle's solves), weaker Spear pokes/stronger Human autos.. consider that pantheon is a bruiser who only has 1 major ad damage ability. the damage you gain from his e is easily replaced by nidalee having 100% uptime on an ad steriod once she gets 20% cdr. and yet noone questions building ad on pantheon : D Which one are you not counting, his 1.4 AD ratio ranged nuke or his cone AoE with 3.6 AD ratio? if you hit the whole thing, with its pathetic base damage making it barely noticable during his peak in power. and nidalees q in cougar can have upto a 3.0 ad scaling. but your missing the whole point.
The channel is less than a second, it's pretty easy to land the whole thing. You clearly haven't been instructed in the ways of Pantheon, Heartseeker Strike melts the faces off of squishies in the midgame and continues to be a huge zoning tool later.
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Holy Shit the Jax remake look awful. They removed the passive (which is what made Jax, Jax) and the new Counter Strike looks like its going to be on way to long of a cooldown to be useful. I'm not happy about this.
Also. Any word on this Sejuani guy?
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On January 12 2012 12:46 Terranasaur wrote:
Holy Shit the Jax remake look awful. They removed the passive (which is what made Jax, Jax) and the new Counter Strike looks like its going to be on way to long of a cooldown to be useful. I'm not happy about this.
Also. Any word on this Sejuani guy?
Sejuani is the third princess of Freljord who refused to unite with the other two tribes and fled into isolation. (see Freljord's lore).
Remember this pic?
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Jax...
I don't know. Losing his free health is kind of painful, but I guess they want him to play more damage and less tanky now? More of a melee dps than a bruiser. Having the attack speed bit from level 1 is nice, though, but in lane where you really only want to last hit, it shouldn't be that useful. Maybe if you're playing super aggressive or something.
Counterstrike looks kind of bad, in my opinion. You'll dodge, like, 2 attacks per opponent max from the look of the duration. Will be nice against people like Vayne or Trynd (which is probably why they were featured in the spotlight), but the short duration/long CD seems very silly when he already has a long CD ult.
On the positive, his jungle actually looks not too bad. New passive and CS seems nice for quick clearing, and on-demand CC will make his ganks dangerous. I'll probably take him into the jungle a couple times come Tuesday.
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On January 12 2012 12:46 Terranasaur wrote:
Holy Shit the Jax remake look awful. They removed the passive (which is what made Jax, Jax) and the new Counter Strike looks like its going to be on way to long of a cooldown to be useful. I'm not happy about this.
Also. Any word on this Sejuani guy?
The passive never made Jax who he was, it was the passive on Counterstrike that let him be invincible to auto-attackers. The health was way nice, but the removal just means he might have to build a defensive item now and then.
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A lot of scrims being affected by the server lag apparently. TSM scrim and now the CLG scrim apparently.
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And riot slaps the kayle treatment to Jax.
At least he SHOULD still be at least playable. They will probably need to buff his armor and hp scaling a bit now though if he isnt going to be able to rely on a stupid huge health pool.
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On January 12 2012 12:04 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 12:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Ugh, only Phreak would jungle Jax. Jax's new E is guaranteed damage that buffs up the more he's hit during the dodge period. Doesn't that sound like something that would be good in a situation where you're guaranteed to get hit 6+ times?
You mean like when you pull minion aggro in lane during a trade? Definitely.
His only AoE is a skill with a 10+ sec CD, which doesn't even look like the skill you max first or second. His jungle speed is going to be a huge problem, especially for someone who wants a ton of farm to transition into a lategame duelist/anti-carry.
On January 12 2012 13:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
And riot slaps the kayle treatment to Jax.
At least he SHOULD still be at least playable. They will probably need to buff his armor and hp scaling a bit now though if he isnt going to be able to rely on a stupid huge health pool.
I don't think Jax's kit is all that compelling without his hard-carry lategame. AoE stun with dodge is nice, but the duration of the buff looks short as hell, the CD seems pretty long, and everything else in is kit is pretty vanilla.
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On January 12 2012 13:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
And riot slaps the kayle treatment to Jax.
At least he SHOULD still be at least playable. They will probably need to buff his armor and hp scaling a bit now though if he isnt going to be able to rely on a stupid huge health pool.
Yeah. Riot seems to mess up with aspects of the champions that define them in the first place. Dunno why they even touched the passive in the first place. The only rework they did decently was sivir's.
I hate this herp-derp atmogs on everyone trend. I love the concept of hybrid champions & they keep nerfing that shit into the ground. Well, atleast I discovered hybrid nidalee.
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United States47024 Posts
On January 12 2012 13:09 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Yeah. Riot seems to mess up with aspects of the champion that define them in the first place. Dunno why they even touched the passive in the first place. The only rework they did decently was sivir's.
I hate this herp-derp atmogs on everyone trend. I love the concept of hybrid champions & they keep nerfing that shit into the ground. Well, atleast I discovered hybrid nidalee.
Riot hates "free gold" passives, because apparently having some champions that have better item scaling than others is bad for the game.
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The Jax remakes seems really bad tbh. Just seems like he overall got weaker.
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