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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 09 2012 19:32 GMT
#2681
So TSM is scrimming right now against mTL right now: Graves/Taric/Maokai/Trynd/Cass vs Nunu/Riven/Leblanc/Skarner/Sivir.

They're not winning, and their Taric pick really isn't helping them at all (surprise!)
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
January 09 2012 19:35 GMT
#2682
Imagine if TRM was actually good at trynd and not just winning ladder games with his inherent strength
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 09 2012 19:36 GMT
#2683
Yeah, just those team comps. Riven is going to crap on top lane. I'd consider Skarner a better jungler than Mao in most regards. Sivir v Graves is pretty even, but Nunu really tips the scale with Blood Boil and Snowball. Mid is the only even one, depending on how aggressive/careful they both play.

Wish I could actually watch it :\
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 09 2012 19:39 GMT
#2684
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
late game is really really really intricate IMO. people like to toss shit around about who's a good late game champ vs. a good early game champ ect, and while there is some truth to some of it, a lot of characters' late games are incredibly dependent on the team matchups. for instance, if the opposing team has nasus, they're gonna get buttraped by anivia, 100% of the time. you have a jax? great, I have a malz and a nasus and you can only have 1 QSS, GLHF BRO. if you asked me for top 5 late game champs, I'd have no answer because the question is so much more complex than it sounds.

I could answer that. Vayne es best in late game
liftlift > tsm
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
January 09 2012 19:41 GMT
#2685
On January 10 2012 04:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 03:43 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 10 2012 03:33 Mondeezy wrote:
Do people usually rage if you steal their jungle in ranked games? I'm around level 15(played HoN, switched over recently), and this jungle Lee Sin on the opposing team started raging and shit talking me because I picked Rammus and stole his jungle creeps after our blue. Apparently he's really OP/banned in ranked games lol? He started giving me this lecture how I'll be bad once I play ranked games at *his* level, even though I handed his ass to him.

Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes.

Thx in advance

If you can steal enemy jungle safely and quickly, it is pretty much recommended and in fact encouraged! Denying your opponent resources is a perfectly valid tactic. Just be careful of them coming to gank you and punish you for it because if they catch you, you're probably dead. And yes, Rammus is supah fun and powerful atm.

AD Carries with lots of mobility... Vayne comes to mind but she's 6300 IP and not a ganker. She is however one of the closest things to a superhard carry in LoL when fully itemised.

But for someone who can gank and be annoying just like Rammus, give Udyr a try. He's tanky, does good deeps, has multiple build paths so you can change his style to fit your team, can jungle and is fun zooming around in Bear stance.

For someone mid, Ryze is cheap (450 IP) and very spammy with good CC and naturally builds tanky because he scales of mana and not AP. If you like massing lots of buttons and being tanky, you'll probably like him.

And also, finally, welcome to LoL from HoN! Most of us are pretty nice and won't bite or bark like that random you played against. On an interesting aside note, I recently spoke with MsPudding who's picking up the meta as well, so you're in good company.


Thought so, I figured it was actually a good idea since I had some help at blue and would beat him to wraiths. Thanks for the detailed response and the welcome! I tried Ryze but didn't do too well with him, maybe I'll try him a little more before passing final judgement.

@Terrana -- Thanks! I'll definitely look into Vayne as she looked like a fun carry when I saw her on stream. And, of course, I'll learn how to play Pantheon(although I'm not sure why lol).



We all play Pantheon because SmashGizmo (Mogwai on the forums) has shown us the light.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258275
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245174

Those should get you started.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 09 2012 19:42 GMT
#2686
On January 10 2012 04:41 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:17 Mondeezy wrote:
On January 10 2012 03:43 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 10 2012 03:33 Mondeezy wrote:
Do people usually rage if you steal their jungle in ranked games? I'm around level 15(played HoN, switched over recently), and this jungle Lee Sin on the opposing team started raging and shit talking me because I picked Rammus and stole his jungle creeps after our blue. Apparently he's really OP/banned in ranked games lol? He started giving me this lecture how I'll be bad once I play ranked games at *his* level, even though I handed his ass to him.

Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes.

Thx in advance

If you can steal enemy jungle safely and quickly, it is pretty much recommended and in fact encouraged! Denying your opponent resources is a perfectly valid tactic. Just be careful of them coming to gank you and punish you for it because if they catch you, you're probably dead. And yes, Rammus is supah fun and powerful atm.

AD Carries with lots of mobility... Vayne comes to mind but she's 6300 IP and not a ganker. She is however one of the closest things to a superhard carry in LoL when fully itemised.

But for someone who can gank and be annoying just like Rammus, give Udyr a try. He's tanky, does good deeps, has multiple build paths so you can change his style to fit your team, can jungle and is fun zooming around in Bear stance.

For someone mid, Ryze is cheap (450 IP) and very spammy with good CC and naturally builds tanky because he scales of mana and not AP. If you like massing lots of buttons and being tanky, you'll probably like him.

And also, finally, welcome to LoL from HoN! Most of us are pretty nice and won't bite or bark like that random you played against. On an interesting aside note, I recently spoke with MsPudding who's picking up the meta as well, so you're in good company.


Thought so, I figured it was actually a good idea since I had some help at blue and would beat him to wraiths. Thanks for the detailed response and the welcome! I tried Ryze but didn't do too well with him, maybe I'll try him a little more before passing final judgement.

@Terrana -- Thanks! I'll definitely look into Vayne as she looked like a fun carry when I saw her on stream. And, of course, I'll learn how to play Pantheon(although I'm not sure why lol).



We all play Pantheon because SmashGizmo (Mogwai on the forums) has shown us the light.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258275
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245174

Those should get you started.

Loci #1 forever and always.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
January 09 2012 19:52 GMT
#2687
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
late game is really really really intricate IMO. people like to toss shit around about who's a good late game champ vs. a good early game champ ect, and while there is some truth to some of it, a lot of characters' late games are incredibly dependent on the team matchups. for instance, if the opposing team has nasus, they're gonna get buttraped by anivia, 100% of the time. you have a jax? great, I have a malz and a nasus and you can only have 1 QSS, GLHF BRO. if you asked me for top 5 late game champs, I'd have no answer because the question is so much more complex than it sounds.

But I thought that making lists of things was the ultimate representation of all knowledge. Are you saying that some things are more complex than a simple one-dimensional linear scale?
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
January 09 2012 19:54 GMT
#2688
On January 10 2012 04:52 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
late game is really really really intricate IMO. people like to toss shit around about who's a good late game champ vs. a good early game champ ect, and while there is some truth to some of it, a lot of characters' late games are incredibly dependent on the team matchups. for instance, if the opposing team has nasus, they're gonna get buttraped by anivia, 100% of the time. you have a jax? great, I have a malz and a nasus and you can only have 1 QSS, GLHF BRO. if you asked me for top 5 late game champs, I'd have no answer because the question is so much more complex than it sounds.

But I thought that making lists of things was the ultimate representation of all knowledge. Are you saying that some things are more complex than a simple one-dimensional linear scale?

I rate this response Tier 5: Hard to place in a discussion
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 09 2012 19:58 GMT
#2689
Flakes just won the internets
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
stink123
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States241 Posts
January 09 2012 20:05 GMT
#2690
So I always thought 10 runepages were the max, but I just checked my friend's account and he has 16 rune pages for some reason. What the hell is going on?

Image here:
http://i42.tinypic.com/24l0ppy.png
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 09 2012 20:06 GMT
#2691
On January 10 2012 05:05 stink123 wrote:
So I always thought 10 runepages were the max, but I just checked my friend's account and he has 16 rune pages for some reason. What the hell is going on?

Image here:
http://i42.tinypic.com/24l0ppy.png

they upped it to 20 rune pages max a patch or two ago. I run 18 now and I still want moar!
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 09 2012 20:06 GMT
#2692
On January 10 2012 05:05 stink123 wrote:
So I always thought 10 runepages were the max, but I just checked my friend's account and he has 16 rune pages for some reason. What the hell is going on?

Image here:
http://i42.tinypic.com/24l0ppy.png

It got expanded to 20. Riot wanted more money.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 20:34:08
January 09 2012 20:08 GMT
#2693
On January 10 2012 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
late game is really really really intricate IMO. people like to toss shit around about who's a good late game champ vs. a good early game champ ect, and while there is some truth to some of it, a lot of characters' late games are incredibly dependent on the team matchups. for instance, if the opposing team has nasus, they're gonna get buttraped by anivia, 100% of the time. you have a jax? great, I have a malz and a nasus and you can only have 1 QSS, GLHF BRO. if you asked me for top 5 late game champs, I'd have no answer because the question is so much more complex than it sounds.

I could answer that. Vayne es best in late game

Yeah, Vayne is also really good against Nasus and Malz. (irony clear?)
Smash, as usually, is right. It's not as simple as it sounds.
currently rooting for myself.
stink123
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States241 Posts
January 09 2012 20:12 GMT
#2694
Wow I totally missed that. This is going to get ridiculous.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 09 2012 20:18 GMT
#2695
I think Vayne is weak vs. strong poking/peeling teams, such as a well crafted Kog team.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 20:27:37
January 09 2012 20:26 GMT
#2696
sivir is strong lategame regardless, thats about the only hero i can think of.

reason being you cant just focus your attention on her like others because she makes the entire team better while outputting pretty much the same dps.
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 09 2012 20:29 GMT
#2697
On January 10 2012 05:18 Mogwai wrote:
I think Vayne is weak vs. strong poking/peeling teams, such as a well crafted Kog team.

By well crafted kog team, do you mean 4 champs with warmogs and kog maw?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 09 2012 20:29 GMT
#2698
Alistar is so terrible. Even worse than taric. Taric actually is worth something after he heals and stuns, something alistar can't say. Completely out classed by leona.

Also TRM picking someone who blows compared to riven.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 09 2012 20:31 GMT
#2699
TSM having really bad lvl 1 fights in these scrims. Then doing ok to get back in around lvl 5-6 then getting rolled the rest of these games. Chaox had a lot of almost kills in these scrims as well losing the lane. Rest of the lanes losing too, teemo seems like a weak pick because he brings nothing to teamfights and doesn't even do enough in lane.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
January 09 2012 20:33 GMT
#2700
Any word about the next new champ? Seems like its about time for something to leak...
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
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