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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:18 Mogwai wrote: I think Vayne is weak vs. strong poking/peeling teams, such as a well crafted Kog team. Personally IMO Vayne is weak vs. AoE teams. She has good single-target damage, but she has no AoE power herself, and it's awkward for her to engage with 550 range if there's a lot of incidental AoE damage flying around. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:29 Two_DoWn wrote: By well crafted kog team, do you mean 4 champs with warmogs and kog maw? I mean stronk counter-initiation heroes. i.e. support: alistar, janna AP: zilean, moreganja, anivia, kennen Jangler: maokai, turndle, jarman, amumu bruiser: anything works really. irelia, GP, Riven all good among others. anyone with good damage and zone control works though. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:36 TheYango wrote: Personally IMO Vayne is weak vs. AoE teams. She has good single-target damage, but she has no AoE power herself, and it's awkward for her to engage with 550 range if there's a lot of incidental AoE damage flying around. yea, I agree, though it's a lot less so once she gets QSS. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
<3 Dan | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mogwai wrote: late game is really really really intricate IMO. people like to toss shit around about who's a good late game champ vs. a good early game champ ect, and while there is some truth to some of it, a lot of characters' late games are incredibly dependent on the team matchups. for instance, if the opposing team has nasus, they're gonna get buttraped by anivia, 100% of the time. you have a jax? great, I have a malz and a nasus and you can only have 1 QSS, GLHF BRO. if you asked me for top 5 late game champs, I'd have no answer because the question is so much more complex than it sounds. You think there's no champion that's weak once everyone get item builds? Sound less sure of an answer than a politician. I bet you doubt that a farmed, fully built Nasus and Vayne couldn't 1v2 a fully built Soraka with no flash. Lategame there are a handful of champions who only need their team to act as CC sinks/meatshields to be able to win a fight for his team single-handedly, that by definition is a champion who has a strong lategame. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:33 Terranasaur wrote: Any word about the next new champ? Seems like its about time for something to leak... http://leagueofreplays.com/redpost.php?postid=19490484&lang=US#19490484 Post summary: Skins this week, no balance changes. Champion and balance next week. Probably still recovering from holidays. Speaking of which, skins will most likely be Lee Sin, Wukong, Talon, and Sona, as Year of the Dragon Chinese New Year skins. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:38 Zdrastochye wrote: You think there's no champion that's weak once everyone get item builds? Sound less sure of an answer than a politician. I bet you doubt that a farmed, fully built Nasus and Vayne couldn't 1v2 a fully built Soraka with no flash. Lategame there are a handful of champions who only need their team to act as CC sinks/meatshields to be able to win a fight for his team single-handedly, that by definition is a champion who has a strong lategame. By definition if you need your team to act as CC sinks/meatshields you aren't winning a teamfight single-handedly. Mogwai isn't saying there aren't strong lategame champions, but that ranking them is difficult because strength is relative to in-game circumstances. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
because i didnt get my 450 bonus RP, maybe i was banned without me noticing oO | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:44 Seuss wrote: By definition if you need your team to act as CC sinks/meatshields you aren't winning a teamfight single-handedly. Mogwai isn't saying there aren't strong lategame champions, but that ranking them is difficult because strength is relative to in-game circumstances. Well I agree in that sense, as long as he's not saying that they don't exist. There's a limited amount of champions who absolutely suck when they're fully built, but there's even fewer who are capable of winning team fights because of their contributions. Needing your team to deflect their CC is actually necessary if you're the only one who actually scares them. If you can 3-5 shot anyone on their team, they'll focus everything on you, but if your team can bait their cc to be blown prematurely, you can do the damage necessary to destory their team, even if your 4 allies combined do less damage to them than you. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:29 Two_DoWn wrote: By well crafted kog team, do you mean 4 champs with warmogs and kog maw? M5 (Empire) vs TSM scrim from a few days ago was a successful callback to the "protect the Kog'maw" glory days from the Russians - Koggles with support Nunu, jungle Shyvana, Irelia top and Galio mid. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:38 Zdrastochye wrote: You think there's no champion that's weak once everyone get item builds? Sound less sure of an answer than a politician. I bet you doubt that a farmed, fully built Nasus and Vayne couldn't 1v2 a fully built Soraka with no flash. Lategame there are a handful of champions who only need their team to act as CC sinks/meatshields to be able to win a fight for his team single-handedly, that by definition is a champion who has a strong lategame. oh shit guys, this zdrastochye fellow is on to my shenanigans! apparently when I said that lategame is more intricate than most people give it credit for, I was implying that soraka can 1v2 nasus and vayne in the late game, who fucking knew? if you're going to call someone out for being overly political, maybe you should do so without jumping from what they're saying to something mindbogglingly retarded. and see, I think it's a testament to how fucking terrible people in solo queue are at building teams that you think that the remaining 4 characters are just CC sinks/meatshields. those CC sinks/meatshields are actually a lot more important than that and who they are is incredibly important. that's the real heart of what I'm trying to say. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:48 BlackMagister wrote: I had to contact customer support with my info and make it clear that I had not been banned before I got my 450 bonus rp. yeah, i am doing this for some time, but it will take some time to get there. I asked straight away if my account has ever been banned and the answer i got was "go to your store and pretend to buy something, then log out and back in and then you will see your RP". I am expecting another 2 months before they answer my question. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:50 Mogwai wrote: and see, I think it's a testament to how fucking terrible people in solo queue are at building teams that you think that the remaining 4 characters are just CC sinks/meatshields. those CC sinks/meatshields are actually a lot more important than that and who they are is incredibly important. that's the real heart of what I'm trying to say. Nor did I say them being CC sinks or meatshields makes them useless, I'm saying once you get built enough to rip apart their team, as long as you don't get cced and 100-0ed, your team stands a good chance to win. Does your team need to do significant damage to them? Not particularly, all you need is peels so you don't blow up. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 10 2012 05:56 Zdrastochye wrote: Nor did I say them being CC sinks or meatshields makes them useless, I'm saying once you get built enough to rip apart their team, as long as you don't get cced and 100-0ed, your team stands a good chance to win. Does your team need to do significant damage to them? Not particularly, all you need is peels so you don't blow up. ok, you understand the game so much better than me. thanks, I never knew it was so simple! brb, picking vayne every game for free wins. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 10 2012 06:03 Mogwai wrote: ok, you understand the game so much better than me. thanks, I never knew it was so simple! brb, picking vayne every game for free wins. Now you understand. Go Smash go. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
With no balance change with Viktor, it's quickly becoming a while since the last real patch.  | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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