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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 10 2012 02:27 Cloud9157 wrote: Hes not the fastest, but Contaminate in combination with Bite will help a lot. He still has stronger ganks than anyone except Skarner and maybe Lee Sin. Maokai, Jarman and Shaco would like a word with you. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:58 Shikyo wrote: Speaking of shen though i really want to try him though, i guess i should buy him if he doesnt become free soon, really want to try my full warmog atmas build on him because he scales so nicely with extra health. By the way it tried playing jungle twitch and it went allright and I managed to carry half decently even though I think that he doesn't quite get the farm he requires, I think he would probably be better off on the bottomlane babysat by someone like soraka, as his lategame is still insanely strong if he gets decent amounts of farm in the early game. He also has reasonably safe farming as he can stealth to escape though extra care is required to make sure that the enemies don't have a pink ward alongside or worse, oracles elixir. You don't jungle twitch to get farmed and be strong lategame, if you jungle Twitch, you jungle him to completely fuck up the enemy team in every possible way, if you do it correctly it doesn't matter wether you get your farm or not. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 10 2012 02:33 Shiv. wrote: Maokai, Jarman and Shaco would like a word with you. Rammus? Warp speed powerball and then bang your head against my spiked shell until you die. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 10 2012 02:47 Terranasaur wrote: Rammus? Warp speed powerball and then bang your head against my spiked shell until you die. Yeah, Rammus obviously too. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:20 Two_DoWn wrote: Trundle is really pretty bad in the new jungle. I can literally think of no reason to pick him over 7-8 other jungles. Hell, I'd rather have the champion formerly known as Warwick over Trundle cuz at least while both suck balls now, WW has a late game. Yeah because having trundle ult on a tanky champ lategame is useless. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote: Yeah because having trundle ult on a tanky champ lategame is useless. His ult may be really good but it doesn't look it, at all - maybe thats why people underestimate him/don't play him much. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote: Yeah because having trundle ult on a tanky champ lategame is useless. WW is arguably tied for the strongest late game champ in the game (Id rank him up with GP, Jax, and trynd (and nasus against a team with no cc)). Is trundle ult anywhere near that good? Nope. Its kind of handy, but not anywhere near that god. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote: WW is arguably tied for the strongest late game champ in the game (Id rank him up with GP, Jax, and trynd (and nasus against a team with no cc)). Is trundle ult anywhere near that good? Nope. Its kind of handy, but not anywhere near that god. Except if trundle ults warwick, warwick dies like a fly. So much for your strongest lategame champion. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes. Thx in advance  | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote: WW is arguably tied for the strongest late game champ in the game (Id rank him up with GP, Jax, and trynd (and nasus against a team with no cc)). Is trundle ult anywhere near that good? Nope. Its kind of handy, but not anywhere near that god. lol? Warwick has no benefit from AD-based multiplicative scaling, and can only rely purely on efficient damage items like Wit's and Triforce, which are strong out of the box but inevitably fall off compared to the multiplicative scaling of AD-based hard-carries. %-based damage? Good for killing tanky champs, but not against any of the real late-game damage threats. If you're going based on that, Amumu's lategame is just as strong as Warwick's--it's strong but it doesn't match up as a late-game hard carry. Jax's lategame is driven by the fact that he gets free scaling gold-value through an AD/AP->HP passive which outpaces any flat steroid once you get enough AD/AP. Tryndamere's lategame is driven by the fact that the high value of his ult when he can itemize for no survivability, and by the fact that once his crit reaches high enough levels he has infinite mobility because E is always off cooldown. Warwick simply has no comparison with a just flat ASpd steroid and a moderate %-damage nuke. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:33 Mondeezy wrote: Do people usually rage if you steal their jungle in ranked games? I'm around level 15(played HoN, switched over recently), and this jungle Lee Sin on the opposing team started raging and shit talking me because I picked Rammus and stole his jungle creeps after our blue. Apparently he's really OP/banned in ranked games lol? He started giving me this lecture how I'll be bad once I play ranked games at *his* level, even though I handed his ass to him. Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes. Thx in advance If you can steal enemy jungle safely and quickly, it is pretty much recommended and in fact encouraged! Denying your opponent resources is a perfectly valid tactic. Just be careful of them coming to gank you and punish you for it because if they catch you, you're probably dead. And yes, Rammus is supah fun and powerful atm.AD Carries with lots of mobility... Vayne comes to mind but she's 6300 IP and not a ganker. She is however one of the closest things to a superhard carry in LoL when fully itemised. But for someone who can gank and be annoying just like Rammus, give Udyr a try. He's tanky, does good deeps, has multiple build paths so you can change his style to fit your team, can jungle and is fun zooming around in Bear stance. For someone mid, Ryze is cheap (450 IP) and very spammy with good CC and naturally builds tanky because he scales of mana and not AP. If you like massing lots of buttons and being tanky, you'll probably like him. And also, finally, welcome to LoL from HoN! Most of us are pretty nice and won't bite or bark like that random you played against. On an interesting aside note, I recently spoke with MsPudding who's picking up the meta as well, so you're in good company. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:33 Mondeezy wrote: Do people usually rage if you steal their jungle in ranked games? I'm around level 15(played HoN, switched over recently), and this jungle Lee Sin on the opposing team started raging and shit talking me because I picked Rammus and stole his jungle creeps after our blue. Apparently he's really OP/banned in ranked games lol? He started giving me this lecture how I'll be bad once I play ranked games at *his* level, even though I handed his ass to him. Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes. Thx in advance AD Carry: Twitch is a lot of fun. TF is a challenge to play well but is also super fun. Jax is a great top laner, and one of my favorite champs to play. Jungle: Udyr is the best one (other than Rammus) for 3150. I don't recommend Shaco unless you like being a total dick. Rammus isn't OP (I have played more Rammus than anything else) but he causes people to rage like crazy with his taunt. And powerball brings him in so fast that he's hard to deal with if you don't pay attention. But he is banned in almost every draft-mode game. Same with Shaco. EDIT: Also, you can't be friends with us until you learn to play Pantheon. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 09 2012 21:42 rob.au wrote: Part of the reason they nerfed the jungle was to try lower its influence on lanes since it can really negate lanes winning convincingly. For example in solo queue when you solo top if you completely destroy the guy early you end up getting ganked over and over making it so you can't really do much in your lane and have to rely on your team to pull something off elsewhere. If there was no jungle then you really would have people coming out of laning as real monsters compared to their opponents Solo queue rating is just an indicator of player skill, it doesn't mean they are going to be 1800 level at every aspect of the game and it's entirely possible to get there without playing certain roles or many different heroes. Most people will tell you there's tons of morons that have no idea what they are doing at 1800+ even though you'd expect that people would have mastered the vast majority of things. Also if you're 1800 going vs a 1100, you probably aren't bothered to cheese them with runes and other plays. I can't say for certain without having watched the matches themselves, but from a glance I think it's obvious most of his opponents didn't put much thought/effort into their picks or into the scenario itself. Soraka is a perfect example. Under normal circumstances she'd harass Annie and make life miserable, but in these circumstances it's Annie who has the advantage. Annie can just perpetually push against Soraka free of mana cost because there's no jungler, while Soraka's ability to counter the push is reliant on a mana-intensive spell that comes at the cost of her ability to harass/sustain and also puts her in a vulnerable position. Basically, raginflamingoo is abusing the "first tower" condition and the fact that Annie has both strong burst and strong pushing power to put his opponents in an awkward position. Players who fail to anticipate the consequences of that condition and the lack of a jungler will lose. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:38 TheYango wrote: lol? Warwick has no benefit from AD-based multiplicative scaling, and can only rely purely on efficient damage items like Wit's and Triforce, which are strong out of the box but inevitably fall off compared to the multiplicative scaling of AD-based hard-carries. %-based damage? Good for killing tanky champs, but not against any of the real late-game damage threats. If you're going based on that, Amumu's lategame is just as strong as Warwick's--it's strong but it doesn't match up as a late-game hard carry. Jax's lategame is driven by the fact that he gets free scaling gold-value through an AD/AP->HP passive which outpaces any flat steroid once you get enough AD/AP. Tryndamere's lategame is driven by the fact that the high value of his ult when he can itemize for no survivability, and by the fact that once his crit reaches high enough levels he has infinite mobility because E is always off cooldown. Warwick simply has no comparison with a just flat ASpd steroid and a moderate %-damage nuke. So you completely discount the fact that his W is an obscene steroid, the power of a ranged suppression, the fact that q, his passive, and any sort of tankiness he builds (IE 4/6 items) make him basically near impossible to kill? And oh ya, the fact that if you drop below half health, he WILL catch and kill you? Not everyone has to be a late game kill terror threat in order to have an obscene late game. WW is the most naturally tanky asshole in the game as soon as he stacks resists. It isnt his kill potential that makes him a top 5 late game character- its his LIVING potential. If the game was just based on scaling and not abilities, it wouldnt matter WHICH champ you picked. WW isnt picked because his early game pressure is not good enough to carry his team through to the late game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On January 10 2012 03:43 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: If you can steal enemy jungle safely and quickly, it is pretty much recommended and in fact encouraged! Denying your opponent resources is a perfectly valid tactic. Just be careful of them coming to gank you and punish you for it because if they catch you, you're probably dead. And yes, Rammus is supah fun and powerful atm.AD Carries with lots of mobility... Vayne comes to mind but she's 6300 IP and not a ganker. She is however one of the closest things to a superhard carry in LoL when fully itemised. But for someone who can gank and be annoying just like Rammus, give Udyr a try. He's tanky, does good deeps, has multiple build paths so you can change his style to fit your team, can jungle and is fun zooming around in Bear stance. For someone mid, Ryze is cheap (450 IP) and very spammy with good CC and naturally builds tanky because he scales of mana and not AP. If you like massing lots of buttons and being tanky, you'll probably like him. And also, finally, welcome to LoL from HoN! Most of us are pretty nice and won't bite or bark like that random you played against. On an interesting aside note, I recently spoke with MsPudding who's picking up the meta as well, so you're in good company. Thought so, I figured it was actually a good idea since I had some help at blue and would beat him to wraiths. Thanks for the detailed response and the welcome! I tried Ryze but didn't do too well with him, maybe I'll try him a little more before passing final judgement. @Terrana -- Thanks! I'll definitely look into Vayne as she looked like a fun carry when I saw her on stream. And, of course, I'll learn how to play Pantheon(although I'm not sure why lol). | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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