[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 134

On January 10 2012 02:27 Cloud9157 wrote:


Hes not the fastest, but Contaminate in combination with Bite will help a lot. He still has stronger ganks than anyone except Skarner and maybe Lee Sin.

On January 10 2012 01:58 Shikyo wrote:
Speaking of shen though i really want to try him though, i guess i should buy him if he doesnt become free soon, really want to try my full warmog atmas build on him because he scales so nicely with extra health.

By the way it tried playing jungle twitch and it went allright and I managed to carry half decently even though I think that he doesn't quite get the farm he requires, I think he would probably be better off on the bottomlane babysat by someone like soraka, as his lategame is still insanely strong if he gets decent amounts of farm in the early game. He also has reasonably safe farming as he can stealth to escape though extra care is required to make sure that the enemies don't have a pink ward alongside or worse, oracles elixir.

On January 10 2012 02:33 Shiv. wrote:

Maokai, Jarman and Shaco would like a word with you.

On January 10 2012 02:47 Terranasaur wrote:


Rammus?

Warp speed powerball and then bang your head against my spiked shell until you die.

On January 10 2012 03:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
Trundle is really pretty bad in the new jungle. I can literally think of no reason to pick him over 7-8 other jungles. Hell, I'd rather have the champion formerly known as Warwick over Trundle cuz at least while both suck balls now, WW has a late game.

On January 10 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote:

Yeah because having trundle ult on a tanky champ lategame is useless.

On January 10 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote:

Yeah because having trundle ult on a tanky champ lategame is useless.

On January 10 2012 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote:

WW is arguably tied for the strongest late game champ in the game (Id rank him up with GP, Jax, and trynd (and nasus against a team with no cc)). Is trundle ult anywhere near that good? Nope. Its kind of handy, but not anywhere near that god.

On January 10 2012 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote:

WW is arguably tied for the strongest late game champ in the game (Id rank him up with GP, Jax, and trynd (and nasus against a team with no cc)). Is trundle ult anywhere near that good? Nope. Its kind of handy, but not anywhere near that god.

On January 10 2012 03:33 Mondeezy wrote:
Do people usually rage if you steal their jungle in ranked games? I'm around level 15(played HoN, switched over recently), and this jungle Lee Sin on the opposing team started raging and shit talking me because I picked Rammus and stole his jungle creeps after our blue. Apparently he's really OP/banned in ranked games lol? He started giving me this lecture how I'll be bad once I play ranked games at *his* level, even though I handed his ass to him.

Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes.

Thx in advance

On January 10 2012 03:33 Mondeezy wrote:
Do people usually rage if you steal their jungle in ranked games? I'm around level 15(played HoN, switched over recently), and this jungle Lee Sin on the opposing team started raging and shit talking me because I picked Rammus and stole his jungle creeps after our blue. Apparently he's really OP/banned in ranked games lol? He started giving me this lecture how I'll be bad once I play ranked games at *his* level, even though I handed his ass to him.

Also, any thoughts on a 3150 iP hero to buy next? I like playing AD carries with mobility, junglers with lots of gank potential(usually play with a friend who solo's top while I jungle), or mid heroes.

Thx in advance

On January 09 2012 21:42 rob.au wrote:


Part of the reason they nerfed the jungle was to try lower its influence on lanes since it can really negate lanes winning convincingly. For example in solo queue when you solo top if you completely destroy the guy early you end up getting ganked over and over making it so you can't really do much in your lane and have to rely on your team to pull something off elsewhere. If there was no jungle then you really would have people coming out of laning as real monsters compared to their opponents

Solo queue rating is just an indicator of player skill, it doesn't mean they are going to be 1800 level at every aspect of the game and it's entirely possible to get there without playing certain roles or many different heroes. Most people will tell you there's tons of morons that have no idea what they are doing at 1800+ even though you'd expect that people would have mastered the vast majority of things.

Also if you're 1800 going vs a 1100, you probably aren't bothered to cheese them with runes and other plays.

On January 10 2012 03:38 TheYango wrote:

lol?

Warwick has no benefit from AD-based multiplicative scaling, and can only rely purely on efficient damage items like Wit's and Triforce, which are strong out of the box but inevitably fall off compared to the multiplicative scaling of AD-based hard-carries. %-based damage? Good for killing tanky champs, but not against any of the real late-game damage threats. If you're going based on that, Amumu's lategame is just as strong as Warwick's--it's strong but it doesn't match up as a late-game hard carry.

Jax's lategame is driven by the fact that he gets free scaling gold-value through an AD/AP->HP passive which outpaces any flat steroid once you get enough AD/AP. Tryndamere's lategame is driven by the fact that the high value of his ult when he can itemize for no survivability, and by the fact that once his crit reaches high enough levels he has infinite mobility because E is always off cooldown. Warwick simply has no comparison with a just flat ASpd steroid and a moderate %-damage nuke.

On January 10 2012 03:43 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:

If you can steal enemy jungle safely and quickly, it is pretty much recommended and in fact encouraged! Denying your opponent resources is a perfectly valid tactic. Just be careful of them coming to gank you and punish you for it because if they catch you, you're probably dead. And yes, Rammus is supah fun and powerful atm.

AD Carries with lots of mobility... Vayne comes to mind but she's 6300 IP and not a ganker. She is however one of the closest things to a superhard carry in LoL when fully itemised.

But for someone who can gank and be annoying just like Rammus, give Udyr a try. He's tanky, does good deeps, has multiple build paths so you can change his style to fit your team, can jungle and is fun zooming around in Bear stance.

For someone mid, Ryze is cheap (450 IP) and very spammy with good CC and naturally builds tanky because he scales of mana and not AP. If you like massing lots of buttons and being tanky, you'll probably like him.

And also, finally, welcome to LoL from HoN! Most of us are pretty nice and won't bite or bark like that random you played against. On an interesting aside note, I recently spoke with MsPudding who's picking up the meta as well, so you're in good company.