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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
December 18 2011 22:11 GMT
#1901
On December 19 2011 07:11 Qualm wrote:
Wait so is this 1-0 CLG or 1-1?


2-0 CLG
NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 22:12:38
December 18 2011 22:12 GMT
#1902
On December 19 2011 07:11 Qualm wrote:
Wait so is this 1-0 CLG or 1-1?


that was 2-0

Edit: ninja'd
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 22:13:20
December 18 2011 22:13 GMT
#1903
Oh so it's bo5, alright thanks.

Hopefully TSM wins some so we get more games :o
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 18 2011 22:13 GMT
#1904
On December 19 2011 07:13 Qualm wrote:
Oh so it's bo5, alright thanks.


I'm pretty sure it's over if Dyrus is signing off?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 18 2011 22:16 GMT
#1905
If I get that correctly, this was just the winner's bracket final.
There still seems to be some v8 vs w/e game in the loser's bracket running (stream 1).

I would assume that the real final is bo5 (or rather double bo3?).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
December 18 2011 22:16 GMT
#1906
Its bo3.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 18 2011 22:16 GMT
#1907
On December 19 2011 07:13 Qualm wrote:
Oh so it's bo5, alright thanks.

Hopefully TSM wins some so we get more games :o

It's over but this was just the winner's bracket. CLG still has to play the winner of the loser's bracket (which will take the rest of the day prob).
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
December 18 2011 22:22 GMT
#1908
Is NESL's website the worst site ever or what, there is no convinient way to see the bracket S2 premier league. I gave up after trying to find it for 5mins..
Best Teemo World
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 18 2011 22:22 GMT
#1909
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/lol/season2/playoffs/rankings
twitch.tv/cratonz
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
December 18 2011 22:22 GMT
#1910
On December 19 2011 07:16 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 07:13 Qualm wrote:
Oh so it's bo5, alright thanks.

Hopefully TSM wins some so we get more games :o

It's over but this was just the winner's bracket. CLG still has to play the winner of the loser's bracket (which will take the rest of the day prob).


Ohhh alright i misunderstood what they said on stream.

Thanks.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#1911
On December 19 2011 07:22 qanik wrote:
Is NESL's website the worst site ever or what, there is no convinient way to see the bracket S2 premier league. I gave up after trying to find it for 5mins..

I remain surprised they haven't even tried to remake the site yet considering how many complaints they get about it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 18 2011 22:44 GMT
#1912
reginald and rain man have no idea how jungling works LOL

trm "dude oddone should've came top, he shouldn't have gone mid. he wasn't even that behind!"

reg "dude no, oddone was too behind because he was ganking too much, he just needed to farm. He should've ganked mid more!."

da hell???

reginald saying oddone didn't farm jungle enough, and that he didn't gank mid enough even though all oddone did that entire game was gank mid and top LOL.

"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
December 18 2011 22:46 GMT
#1913
On December 19 2011 04:44 Xevious wrote:
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On December 19 2011 03:53 sylverfyre wrote:
On December 19 2011 03:37 Xevious wrote:
watching esl thing

"leblanc usually falls behind in cs, she has a pretty poor attack animation and no ability to aoe farm"

-.-

Well she does fall behind in cs easily, probably because she tends to wander away from her lane to gank, but can't really shove it quickly before doing so (unlike, for example, Sion.) so she loses CS to creeps while she roams?

yeah but its not because of her attack animation ffs

I know, I wasn't agreeing that the caster was right when I said that. Her attack animation and range are perfectly fine, it's the fact that she generally NEEDS to roam, but doesn't push hard to complement that roam.
maliceee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States634 Posts
December 18 2011 22:56 GMT
#1914
is there anywhere to watch those replays?
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 18 2011 23:03 GMT
#1915
What's the consensus about using snowball items to force focus fire on champions you want to be focused?

Consider the basic strategy of teamfights: Focus down the AD and AP carries quickly to deny the other team their primary damage sources while keeping yours alive then deal with the tankier members of their team. There are many nuances that help this or hinder your opponents from doing this (like peeling for example) but overall your goal of killing their carry while keeping yours alive in a teamfight remains the same.

However, putting SotO and Mejai's on your bruisers basically says to the enemy team "You gotta kill me before my stacks get up or I'll be able to rape all of you in the next teamfight" and greatly encourages a team to kill the one holding them. However, the enemy team focusing your damage on your tanky members is exactly what you want them to do because it leaves your real carries to do what they do best: melt faces.

The items themselves are not extremely expensive either and can be gotten fairly easily in the midgame after you have some decent defensive items up.

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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 18 2011 23:07 GMT
#1916
However, putting SotO and Mejai's on your bruisers basically says to the enemy team "You gotta kill me before my stacks get up or I'll be able to rape all of you in the next teamfight" and greatly encourages a team to kill the one holding them. However, the enemy team focusing your damage on your tanky members is exactly what you want them to do because it leaves your real carries to do what they do best: melt faces.

No, this actually says lol you have worthless snowball items with no stacks we just gonna kill your team.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
December 18 2011 23:09 GMT
#1917
TSM voice chat full of recrimination
I will eat you alive
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 23:26:31
December 18 2011 23:10 GMT
#1918
If you get snowball items on bruisers, you will be useless. Most likely you'll die much faster than you normally would (so you can't perform your role and killing you early therefore isn't a "bad" thing). Moreover, leviathan is a so-so item at best, as is SotO. Bruisers by and large don't want Mejais.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 18 2011 23:10 GMT
#1919
Problem with snowball items is either you get them early and they're expensive enough to significantly delay your core items (they're all 1k+). Or you get them mid-game where, depending on your elo, you may not get nearly enough stacks to make them worth it.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 23:13:34
December 18 2011 23:12 GMT
#1920
On December 19 2011 08:07 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
However, putting SotO and Mejai's on your bruisers basically says to the enemy team "You gotta kill me before my stacks get up or I'll be able to rape all of you in the next teamfight" and greatly encourages a team to kill the one holding them. However, the enemy team focusing your damage on your tanky members is exactly what you want them to do because it leaves your real carries to do what they do best: melt faces.

No, this actually says lol you have worthless snowball items with no stacks we just gonna kill your team.


I would say that's an ignorant statement. You're assuming a bruiser is magically useless because he's spent ~1400 gold on 10 attack damage or 1200g on 20 ap instead of something that is initially more cost efficient. That's like saying buying warmogs or BT make you useless because they aren't the most cost-efficient items in the game when you first buy them.


On December 19 2011 08:10 Craton wrote:
If you get snowball items on bruisers, you will be useless. Most likely you'll die much faster than you normally would (so you can't perform your role and killing you early therefore isn't a "bad" thing). Moreover, leviathan is a so-so item at best, as is sotd. Bruisers by and large don't want Mejais.


I specifically didn't mention Leviathians because it does exactly the opposite of encouraging an enemy to attack you (by making you harder to kill) and Sword of the Divine isn't a snowball item >.<
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