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On December 16 2011 08:42 ClonedBefore wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:38 Parnage wrote:
While Tristana has range, steroid and escapes. Oh and ahealing debuff. Once more cementing that Tristana is the best of all the Ad carries. Late game, but mid game she is rather weak, but once the game hits late game, she becomes god mode.
Mid game you just rely on the fact you are adorable and people do not want to kill adorable things. Then like a scene out of an anime you throw the cannon girl into the fray and kill everyone. In seriousness, her midgame weakness is more likely an issue of needing to farm more(Get dat IE/zeal yo) then being weak. Ignoring vayne vayne damage always pretty solid.
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On December 16 2011 08:38 Parnage wrote:
While Tristana has range, steroid and escapes. Oh and ahealing debuff. Once more cementing that Tristana is the best of all the Ad carries.
I think you need to add an "in the late game" to that. More specifically "in the late game in team fights". I kinda don't think it's valuable to ask "who's the best ad carry" since they have slightly different roles. You might argue that cait is weak lategame but if you have a poke comp then Caitlyn lategame is actually pretty good. Vayne is the best at 1v1'ing which makes her really strong against split-pushers (except trynd who she can't really duel). She's also the best at pubstomping since there will always be someone you can catch off on their own. Graves is super tough so if you don't have anyone tanky to block for you he's much better than, say, tristana. In terms of the pure AD-carry do-all-the-damage-in-teamfights-in-the-lategame role, then yeah Trist is the strongest.
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Sigh... I don't know if I want Ahri -.-
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On December 16 2011 08:38 Parnage wrote:
While Tristana has range, steroid and escapes. Oh and ahealing debuff. Once more cementing that Tristana is the best of all the Ad carries.
Best full item AD carry, yes.
EDIT: well maybe Vayne can compete, due to sheet damage output and her crazy MS boost
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Omg new champ is so fun to play :D I mean I just played a few games vs bots but fun style. Seems like a high skill champ that mechanically skilled players can wreck with her.
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On December 16 2011 08:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Cait is a good late game carry because of her range. Its the reason kog maw is so good- range wins fights.
I mean, your talking about ad carry, a role that does most of its damage on autoattacks, with the same items across the board. They are going to do similar damage. The differentiating factors between them is if A) they have an escape, B) some sort of damage steroid, and C) their range.
Cait has an advantage in terms of a and c. Vayne has a and b.
Kog'Maw was good because he had the highest range? No, his W does % max health damage! His range is certainly a plus as well, but he didn't penta teams because he had the highest range in the game. If you think this you're very silly. Range is definitely a part of it, but it's not even that important if it can be made up for in other areas see Vayne. I'd take a 80 or 90% aspd steroid over range any day.
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On December 16 2011 08:25 Seuss wrote:
I must have fundamentally different eyes from the most of the rest of humanity. I don't have problems reading text on the winter map, my eyes don't feel particularly strained looking at it, and I think it's just fine.
Agreed. I love winter map and I liked it much more than the dark and oddly colourful Halloween textures. Much easier to see particle and spell effects on winter background imo.
As far as AD carries go, MF used to completely rock my shit when she was first introduced. I recently picked her up once I got over my hatred of her (probably 'cause I barely see her anymore) and she is still a huge bully in lane (highest base damage without items I think) especially with her passive on W. Just gotta be real good to hit Q and farm up to deal crazy damage and kite real well for lategame. I think her issue mainly stems from the fact that she is much more difficult to play than a lategame Trist or Cait with mega range or Graves with his blind/dash, and as such people are less willing to pick her up, but she seems plenty viable.
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Wtf...
I play a ranked game, lose because of a griefer, whatever.
Next ranked game I start, go through champ select, game starts, gives me an error when it tries to launch, saying I don't have some DLL file.
>_>
And after restarting my client like 4 times, it works
Wierd
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anybody knows when will the winter skins go off sale
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On December 16 2011 09:45 emucxg wrote:
anybody knows when will the winter skins go off sale
Launcher says next patch. Which makes it right around Xmas.
Uh, "off sale". I'd assume sales last around one patch. So some time Jan most likely.
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On December 16 2011 09:34 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Cait is a good late game carry because of her range. Its the reason kog maw is so good- range wins fights.
I mean, your talking about ad carry, a role that does most of its damage on autoattacks, with the same items across the board. They are going to do similar damage. The differentiating factors between them is if A) they have an escape, B) some sort of damage steroid, and C) their range.
Cait has an advantage in terms of a and c. Vayne has a and b. Kog'Maw was good because he had the highest range? No, his W does % max health damage! His range is certainly a plus as well, but he didn't penta teams because he had the highest range in the game. If you think this you're very silly. Range is definitely a part of it, but it's not even that important if it can be made up for in other areas see Vayne. I'd take a 80 or 90% aspd steroid over range any day.
Not quite. Imagine if his W didn't give bonus range. How good is Kog now with no escapes and 500 range?
On December 16 2011 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:25 Seuss wrote:
I must have fundamentally different eyes from the most of the rest of humanity. I don't have problems reading text on the winter map, my eyes don't feel particularly strained looking at it, and I think it's just fine. Agreed. I love winter map and I liked it much more than the dark and oddly colourful Halloween textures. Much easier to see particle and spell effects on winter background imo. As far as AD carries go, MF used to completely rock my shit when she was first introduced. I recently picked her up once I got over my hatred of her (probably 'cause I barely see her anymore) and she is still a huge bully in lane (highest base damage without items I think) especially with her passive on W. Just gotta be real good to hit Q and farm up to deal crazy damage and kite real well for lategame. I think her issue mainly stems from the fact that she is much more difficult to play than a lategame Trist or Cait with mega range or Graves with his blind/dash, and as such people are less willing to pick her up, but she seems plenty viable.
Having 550 range with no escapes doesn't just make her "more difficult" to play, it makes her worse. I'm a big fan of MF, and as long as you can right-click she's obviously "viable" as a ranged AD carry, but let's not pretend people don't play her because she has a higher skill requirement or something like that.
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On December 16 2011 09:19 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:38 Parnage wrote:
While Tristana has range, steroid and escapes. Oh and ahealing debuff. Once more cementing that Tristana is the best of all the Ad carries. Best full item AD carry, yes. EDIT: well maybe Vayne can compete, due to sheet damage output and her crazy MS boost
Just according to the ramblings of Doublelift, if we're talking about full item AD carries, Twitch is the best simply because in teamfights he can hit 3-5 people at once. Of course, realistically, he's almost never going to get there. As far as he is concerned (I'm going off what he says since he seems to have a lot of expertise, and I don't have any), Trist is also not so great, simply because her range doesn't become a factor until later, when you will have already won or lost your lane, and her E makes last hitting a pain, but you can't not take it against a heal support.
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is it just me or has kogmaw kind of had a falling off in terms of being played during tournaments, seems like everyone jumps on graves/cait/vayne and to lesser degrees trist, did something change?
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On December 16 2011 09:34 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Cait is a good late game carry because of her range. Its the reason kog maw is so good- range wins fights.
I mean, your talking about ad carry, a role that does most of its damage on autoattacks, with the same items across the board. They are going to do similar damage. The differentiating factors between them is if A) they have an escape, B) some sort of damage steroid, and C) their range.
Cait has an advantage in terms of a and c. Vayne has a and b. Kog'Maw was good because he had the highest range? No, his W does % max health damage! His range is certainly a plus as well, but he didn't penta teams because he had the highest range in the game. If you think this you're very silly. Range is definitely a part of it, but it's not even that important if it can be made up for in other areas see Vayne. I'd take a 80 or 90% aspd steroid over range any day.
If you listened to any pro talk about kog maw back when he was super in fad for the IEMs it was his range, not the shred on his w that made him op.
As for why he isnt played much anymore I expect it has something to do with the fact people are getting better at abusing matchups bot lane so that somebody who is weaker early like kog can get brutally raped and murdered in the laning phase.
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He got whacked with the nerf stick a few times.
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On December 16 2011 08:25 Seuss wrote:
I must have fundamentally different eyes from the most of the rest of humanity. I don't have problems reading text on the winter map, my eyes don't feel particularly strained looking at it, and I think it's just fine.
Yeah, I personally love snow, so predictably I also love snow maps. The league of legends map is no exception, and my eyes never suffer any problems dealing with the snow, or reading the chat. As an added bonus the music on the map is quite pretty.
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I remember old BW maps with snow would make my eyes strain to the point of migraines but the lol snow map doesn't bother me in the least
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Probably because building a pylon on the snow made you go blind. Man, that stuff was awful.
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On December 16 2011 10:00 NotSorry wrote:
is it just me or has kogmaw kind of had a falling off in terms of being played during tournaments, seems like everyone jumps on graves/cait/vayne and to lesser degrees trist, did something change?
Graves/Cait/Vayne have stronger lanes and all three have escapes (although they're minor). Kog still does more damage than them and has more range. But the combination of decreased duration on his W and his relatively weak early game made him fall out of favor. He still gets played though in tournaments.
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On December 16 2011 10:02 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 09:34 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On December 16 2011 08:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Cait is a good late game carry because of her range. Its the reason kog maw is so good- range wins fights.
I mean, your talking about ad carry, a role that does most of its damage on autoattacks, with the same items across the board. They are going to do similar damage. The differentiating factors between them is if A) they have an escape, B) some sort of damage steroid, and C) their range.
Cait has an advantage in terms of a and c. Vayne has a and b. Kog'Maw was good because he had the highest range? No, his W does % max health damage! His range is certainly a plus as well, but he didn't penta teams because he had the highest range in the game. If you think this you're very silly. Range is definitely a part of it, but it's not even that important if it can be made up for in other areas see Vayne. I'd take a 80 or 90% aspd steroid over range any day. If you listened to any pro talk about kog maw back when he was super in fad for the IEMs it was his range, not the shred on his w that made him op. As for why he isnt played much anymore I expect it has something to do with the fact people are getting better at abusing matchups bot lane so that somebody who is weaker early like kog can get brutally raped and murdered in the laning phase.
or the fact that he was nerfed significantly. I don't remember any pro talk about Kog'Maw being good because of his range during the IEMs although you could just assume that because the most played carries with Caitlyn and Kog'Maw, but I still think his %max health damage is more significant than his range.
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