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On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me.
You don't "learn" how to play someone like orianna. You spam your abilities in any direction and order and kill people. Orianna was one of the most skill less champions you could play and win with.
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On December 16 2011 07:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me. You don't "learn" how to play someone like orianna. You spam your abilities in any direction and order and kill people. Orianna was one of the most skill less champions you could play and win with.
lol, really?
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On December 16 2011 07:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me. You don't "learn" how to play someone like orianna. You spam your abilities in any direction and order and kill people. Orianna was one of the most skill less champions you could play and win with.
Ya, I'm like 230-2 with orianna in ranked 3700 elo, all I do is qwer in a random order with my mouse spinning.
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On December 16 2011 07:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me. You don't "learn" how to play someone like orianna. You spam your abilities in any direction and order and kill people. Orianna was one of the most skill less champions you could play and win with.
We are thinking about the same orianna right?
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On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me.
I think her CDs are pretty in line with other casters. Her range is nice but it isn't crazy ridiculous. Like, I don't think you can zone APs the way Orianna could at all. I mean, I wouldn't consider her to be better at zoning than like Cassiopeia or Brand. Her Q is a lot easier to dodge than like Brand W or Cass Q imo. Dunno how well she does if you max W against APs.
I think she may get higher mana costs. I think her ult may get nerfed a bit too. Otherwise she's not too out of line with other APs.
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What do people think of Miss Fortune these days? I rarely see her but she's the only AD I've never really touched and looks fun to pick up.
Should I buy her and try to learn? Does she have any niche roles to play in any particular teamcomps?
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On December 16 2011 07:11 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me. You don't "learn" how to play someone like orianna. You spam your abilities in any direction and order and kill people. Orianna was one of the most skill less champions you could play and win with. Ya, I'm like 230-2 with orianna in ranked 3700 elo, all I do is qwer in a random order with my mouse spinning.
Come on, it's pretty apparent what Arcbound is trying to put across and I'm with him on this. A skilled Orianna is scary as fuck, but that does not mean you necessarily need to be good to be successful with her. I would rather have an Orianna smashing QWER like there's no tomorrow than, say, a Brand, LeBlanc or Cassio. The fact that the champ gets to a whole new level once mastered isn't contradictory to the fact she's pretty strong in the hands of a lesser skilled person.
On December 16 2011 07:14 Haemonculus wrote:
What do people think of Miss Fortune these days? I rarely see her but she's the only AD I've never really touched and looks fun to pick up.
Should I buy her and try to learn? Does she have any niche roles to play in any particular teamcomps?
According to Doublelift, Soraka+MF is probably the strongest bot lane in game, but essentially useless after laning phase. Chaox says she just a walking ult.
That being said, if you are desperate to run an AoE team, I'd still pick MF over Graves, just due to her range.
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On December 16 2011 07:14 Haemonculus wrote:
What do people think of Miss Fortune these days? I rarely see her but she's the only AD I've never really touched and looks fun to pick up.
Should I buy her and try to learn? Does she have any niche roles to play in any particular teamcomps?
She used to be pretty niche and good in AoE comps, but I think Corki/Graves have comparable if not better AoE and are better in other aspects as well so MF is sub-par now.
Her laning is strong but she has too high mana costs which means she almost requires a Soraka babysit. After laning she just doesn't perform as well as other ADs.
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On December 16 2011 07:15 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:11 JackDino wrote:On December 16 2011 07:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 16 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:On December 16 2011 06:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Ahri is crazy insane and if she's not nerfed in 2 patches Riot's going to leave this game completely imbalanced. Her numbers are whatever, I don't really care about that--the fact that she can force anyone out of lane at level 6 at literally any point is retarded. Just start pushing right before 6 and when you ding it and your wave doubles up, preferably with a siege minion in it, blow them the fuck up. They'll bluepill or die and lose 2 waves either way. I think she's probably going to be hit like Orianna was once people learn how to play her. Her low cooldowns, high range and low mana costs give her a lot of lane presence just like old Orianna. She doesn't zone as well as Ori, but she still seems pretty strong to me. You don't "learn" how to play someone like orianna. You spam your abilities in any direction and order and kill people. Orianna was one of the most skill less champions you could play and win with. Ya, I'm like 230-2 with orianna in ranked 3700 elo, all I do is qwer in a random order with my mouse spinning. Come on, it's pretty apparent what Arcbound is trying to put across and I'm with him on this. A skilled Orianna is scary as fuck, but that does not mean you necessarily need to be good to be successful with her. I would rather have an Orianna smashing QWER like there's no tomorrow than, say, a Brand, LeBlanc or Cassio. The fact that the champ gets to a whole new level once mastered isn't contradictory to the fact she's pretty strong in the hands of a lesser skilled person.
Playing Leblanc is like 23times easier than playing orianna, a bad orianna is in fact, really really fucking bad. A bad leblanc can still Q R W despite not being able to hit her E and do fucktons of dmg, if you miss your ball as ori well gz you just wasted a fuckton of mana. Brand is also easier as you don't even need to position your ball to W. Only thing a bad orianna can do is E the initiator and hope that when she presses R everyone gets caught.
On December 16 2011 07:17 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:14 Haemonculus wrote:
What do people think of Miss Fortune these days? I rarely see her but she's the only AD I've never really touched and looks fun to pick up.
Should I buy her and try to learn? Does she have any niche roles to play in any particular teamcomps? She used to be pretty niche and good in AoE comps, but I think Corki/Graves have comparable if not better AoE and are better in other aspects as well so MF is sub-par now. Her laning is strong but she has too high mana costs which means she almost requires a Soraka babysit. After laning she just doesn't perform as well as other ADs.
Corki/graves don't have such a great laugh and MF has a healing reduction, can either cycle trough targets or just doubleup to hit 2 targets with healing reduction debuff.
Doublelift is wrong nunu/mf are stronger and pant/leona aswell.
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release orianna didn't take much skill I think. Very hard to play optimally but you didn't need to because she was just that stupidly powerful
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On December 16 2011 07:14 Haemonculus wrote:
What do people think of Miss Fortune these days? I rarely see her but she's the only AD I've never really touched and looks fun to pick up.
Should I buy her and try to learn? Does she have any niche roles to play in any particular teamcomps?
Fun, with a really responsive auto attack animation, but she's pretty weak compared to any other ranged AD carry. You have to farm like a boss, and even then she's pretty weak.
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For any GP players, would you get the 10% mpen from offense for a bit more damage on your dot/ult(the ult either does a lot of dmg or does like no dmg regardless of resistances etc) or would you max out havoc/arp for stronger Qs and autos?
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Have we talked about the new Tabi yet? 30 armor 10% Damage Reduction from auto attacks?
Better than the movement collision one, imo. o.O
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On December 16 2011 07:51 Requizen wrote:
Have we talked about the new Tabi yet? 30 armor 10% Damage Reduction from auto attacks?
Better than the movement collision one, imo. o.O
Its essentially the same as it was before they removed dodge, although I dont know what the dodge % was in terms of damage reduction from autos, so it could be a nerf for all I know.
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New tabi might be really solid for singed. Little extra armor and reduction from your (likely physical damage dealing) lane opponent, and late game I often feel that the only people that really hurt me are farmed/fed AD carries.
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On December 16 2011 07:14 Haemonculus wrote:
What do people think of Miss Fortune these days? I rarely see her but she's the only AD I've never really touched and looks fun to pick up.
Should I buy her and try to learn? Does she have any niche roles to play in any particular teamcomps? If you mean people like pros? They think she is completly useless. Bad Q. decent roid with w (Due to passive). Bad E and usless Ultimate.
There is no reason to take her over the better AD carries.
Is she fun to play? Yea, I feel she is, but if it is close game I always swear over the fact that I didn't pick Vayne, Graves, Trist, Kog or Cait.
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i suspect it's not, and i also am pretty sure it's been asked, but does dmg reduction reduce true dmg?
edit: nvm, just remembered when leviathan max stacks reduced true dmg and they fixed it, so guess not
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On December 16 2011 07:52 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:51 Requizen wrote:
Have we talked about the new Tabi yet? 30 armor 10% Damage Reduction from auto attacks?
Better than the movement collision one, imo. o.O Its essentially the same as it was before they removed dodge, although I dont know what the dodge % was in terms of damage reduction from autos, so it could be a nerf for all I know.
dodge % on the long run is the same as the % damage reduction from autos
dodge is better though because you don't suffer those disgusting on-hit effects like silver bolt
overall it's a nerf for the boots, because it gives 2 less % (it used to give 12 % dodge) and the onhit effects..
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MF's strength is being able to beat other ad carries in lane. You can't trade favorably with an MF due to her W and she can often poke you to death regardless with Q. However, this is nullified with the introduction of Caitlyn and support ad bottom lanes. MF isn't as bad as people make her out to be, but she is certainly overshadowed. She does scale better than Caitlyn into the late game though. Her main issue in my opinion is mana costs and her AP scaling. If all her abilities scaled off both like most of the other ad carries these days (or just ad for all I care) she'd be in a lot better place. That and make it so you don't go oom in lane after three Qs.
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