EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Ahri] General Discussion - Page 54
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 16 2011 04:57 Ryuu314 wrote: I think her Q only having .3 ratio is okay, since it's true damage, which means given resists it's actually quite a bit more than 0.3 comparatively. Her W only have .3 ratio is kinda bleh considering how unreliable it is to hit all 3 W charges on the same target. E isn't meant to be a damage skill so w/e ratio on that is fine imo. R ratio could be a bit higher, but it isn't bad considering you can hit somethign 3 times with it reliably. I just mean, if you want to play a lane where you aren't trying to win out right Ahri is probably not a good champ to pick up. I don't think trading farm with most champions is beneficial for her, you want to win lane. I'm not sure yet how well her laning is against other APs. I think it's somewhere between "pretty good" and "not that great" which would be a bad thing if she becomes destined to AP mid and needs to win lane because her scaling is worse than other AP carries. It's also why I think she'll go top because I think she has a lot of good match ups there. I can agree that if she had higher ratios she would likely be super broken but I don't think her late game burst is as powerful or reliable as other common AP picks. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:09 Two_DoWn wrote: Q has an effective .66 ratio, W should be .75 (which is 2 foxes), and ulti should .9 to at least whatever your primary target is. WIth proper play those are some boss ratios. by boss ratios do you mean barely serviceable ratios on a skillshot based AP carry? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:11 overt wrote: I just mean, if you want to play a lane where you aren't trying to win out right Ahri is probably not a good champ to pick up. I don't think trading farm with most champions is beneficial for her, you want to win lane. I'm not sure yet how well her laning is against other APs. I think it's somewhere between "pretty good" and "not that great" which would be a bad thing if she becomes destined to AP mid and needs to win lane because her scaling is worse than other AP carries. It's also why I think she'll go top because I think she has a lot of good match ups there. I can agree that if she had higher ratios she would likely be super broken but I don't think her late game burst is as powerful or reliable as other common AP picks. Her lvl 6 burst is actually very strong. I felt the same way the first game I played. I was very on the edge thinking that she could be outlaned very easily. I haven't played many with her, but as I start to get more comfortable with her, I find how strong her damage output is. She is extremely fun to play, and you can dance around the edge of the fight dropping people left and right. I need to play more with her though to see how many mid lanes she can win, and if she doesn't win, how well she'll do late game. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On December 13 2011 13:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: VEIGARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR START BOOTS WITHOUT NEEDING MANA REGEN RUNES NOW MWAHAHAHAHA Yay for Veigar being viable again. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: Her lvl 6 burst is actually very strong. I felt the same way the first game I played. I was very on the edge thinking that she could be outlaned very easily. I haven't played many with her, but as I start to get more comfortable with her, I find how strong her damage output is. She is extremely fun to play, and you can dance around the edge of the fight dropping people left and right. I need to play more with her though to see how many mid lanes she can win, and if she doesn't win, how well she'll do late game. Oh, yeah, I think her early and mid game is really good unless you lose lane super bad. I just dunno how well she does late game cause every streamed game I've seen her in and every game I've played that had her she either gets fed and rapes kids or she loses lane and does nothing for the entire game. Not surprising for a new champ but it makes it hard to tell how she does compared to other APs if she doesn't crush lane. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:16 Mogwai wrote: by boss ratios do you mean barely serviceable ratios on a skillshot based AP carry? Brand is .65, .6, .55, and an unreliable .5 per target (best case 1.5) Compared to .66 (with .33 of that being true damage (to as many targets as you can hit)) .75 (with the possibility for.375 on another target) an admittedly weak .35, and a fairly reliable .9, with another 1.8 spread to other targets. Doesnt seem as though its all that much worse. | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:16 Mogwai wrote: by boss ratios do you mean barely serviceable ratios on a skillshot based AP carry? Her ratios are a little on the low side, but the cooldowns on them are also quite low. If you trade with just about any other AP carry you will get your second round of spells a couple seconds before they do, and with your ult it's pretty much impossible for them to get away in that 5 second window. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:25 Two_DoWn wrote: Brand is .65, .6, .55, and an unreliable .5 per target (best case 1.5) Compared to .66 (with .33 of that being true damage (to as many targets as you can hit)) .75 (with the possibility for.375 on another target) an admittedly weak .35, and a fairly reliable .9, with another 1.8 spread to other targets. Doesnt seem as though its all that much worse. Brand also burns off 4% of your health with every spell, thats probably factored into the spell's actual damage. And don't his rocks do like 25% more damage if you're on fire? | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:14 Hynda wrote: Dyrus is the funniest person on the planet. The video of them buying ice-cream is fucking hillarious. wait what? D: Link? | ||
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Shanba
Scotland144 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
dat moan. dat 7/11 laughed my ass off. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:55 Yttrasil wrote: Ahri is so sick op you guys can't imagine, you heard it here! Seeing people on high elo play her crushing everyone after 1 day should be a pointer. Her ulti is great, but her scaling that's what hurts and her heart which is actually not a skillshot since it's so fast and on shit low cooldown, it's like blitzcranks q with lower cd, low cost and no fucking way to miss as its speed is insane. Not that this necessarily means anything but I saw TOO miss her heart like 10 times, all from just out of range. Aside: His rant on people with numbers in their summoner name was hilarious. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:22 spinesheath wrote: I never said a single word about heal mid. What the hell is man mode? What you describe sure isn't manly. Support with Exhaust + Ignite, carry with Heal + Flash/Ghost. THAT is manly. Even if you play 2 females (not exactly unlikely). LB/Jarvan/GP support + Ashe, distribute 2x Exhaust+Ignite around those two, win every lane. Not even funny. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:55 Yttrasil wrote: Ahri is so sick op you guys can't imagine, you heard it here! Seeing people on high elo play her crushing everyone after 1 day should be a pointer. Her ulti is great, but her scaling that's what hurts and her heart which is actually not a skillshot since it's so fast and on shit low cooldown, it's like blitzcranks q with lower cd, low cost and no fucking way to miss as its speed is insane. It's on a 12 second cooldown which isn't really short and while I don't play much Blitz I don't think it's faster than his Q. I haven't seen many streamers own with her other than Chaox who was playing on low ELO smurf accounts. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 16 2011 06:05 overt wrote: It's on a 12 second cooldown which isn't really short and while I don't play much Blitz I don't think it's faster than his Q. I haven't seen many streamers own with her other than Chaox who was playing on low ELO smurf accounts. Blitzcrank Q is 20/19/18/17/16 seconds, and you leave it at rank 1 through level 14. Unless you meant missile speed, which is something else entirely. | ||
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