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Want to rage about your latest loss? Use the QQ thread. If you whine in GD, you'll get warned. ===== + Show Spoiler + If your [Stream] thread was moved to the general TL Stream subforum (aka SC stream land), find your thread and PM it to me and I'll move it back to LoL territory. I can argue with staff that moving a non-SC thread into a SC subforum is just asking for that thread to get buried. - Neo, Dec. 15 2011, 6:33 KST I have admin approval. I'll be moving LoL streams back to the subforum. Stream name will be based on Summoner name. - Neo 7:07 KST | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:02 iCanada wrote: I dunno, I'd rather have a terrible solo top and SV jungling than an average jungler and a slightly above average solo top. Or Saint could help me out and make me a slightly above average jungler by giving me tips during the game. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:48 mr_tolkien wrote: SV acted douchey in ONE GAME. This doesn't warrant an insta-ban oO Well at least this means I'll be able to see him feed at DotA 2 \o/ He's been trolling in various amounts for more than one game. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:04 Hynda wrote: I can probably count 100 games where SV has been complete asshat. It's not just 1 game. the real question is where is his chance to be pardoned at tribunal x) | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
For four days of banning a "troll" riot has handed out a thousand new threads and posters against the tribunal. Real big mishap. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:05 Haemonculus wrote: Zzzz but that's *exactly* what he got banned for. Had nothing to do with trying to jungle unusual champions. -Player A says he wants to jungle and picks lee sin, (he is higher in the queue order) -SV says "no I am jungling" and locks in trundle after lee has already picked -SV follows A around all game in jungle, sniping last hits, (and missing a lot of them to boot) -SV also whining about it all game If that's not "I don't do role _____, switch or I afk/feed/troll", then wtf is it? He wanted to jungle, someone else had already picked it, so he picks jungle anyway and trolls this kid (not to mention the rest of the team, two underfed jungles competing for farm, and a solo bot vayne due to no support pick) That is *exactly* what's wrong with solo q, and the LoL community in general. We get posts on TL here all the time complaining about the jerk who called top and threatened to AFK if he didn't get it. How is a famous streamer doing exactly that any different? i think this is more or less where i was trying to get to. well said edit: regarding tribunal: i've always seen it as being a method for riot to filter out the enormous number of reports that they get. NOT as a true law/trial system | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:57 tobi9999 wrote: Yet the people who are legitly being assholes still exist. "I don't support, switch or we double AD" How can you be mad that he got banned for trolling someone because they didn't let him jungle, while simultaneously condemning everyone else who does just that? | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:10 Craton wrote: How can you be mad that he got banned for trolling someone because they didn't let him jungle, while simultaneously condemning everyone else who does just that? Because it is inconsitant. Even at relatively high ELO's every other friggen game has someone who does the exact same bullshit. SV does it once and it is a four day ban? Like a quarter of the players I get matched up with in ranked should have four day bans then... | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:10 Craton wrote: How can you be mad that he got banned for trolling someone because they didn't let him jungle, while simultaneously condemning everyone else who does just that? It's the difference between being fair and being just. You obviously can't ban all the people trolling. So when a high-profile player trolls on stream, do you do the just thing and ban him for doing wrong, or do you do the fair thing and let him be handled through the same process as the other trolls (and get punished at the same totally unreliable rate)? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:15 TheYango wrote: The just thing. He is a posterboy for your product, he gains his living of your product. You show them that you can bring them down in seconds if they step out of line. That is how you run a buisness. It's the difference between being fair and being just. You obviously can't ban all the people trolling. So when a high-profile player trolls on stream, do you do the just thing and ban him for doing wrong, or do you do the fair thing and let him be handled through the same process as the other trolls (and get punished at the same totally unreliable rate)? | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:17 Craton wrote: It's not somehow unfair or unjust to ban him faster than normal. He has 5k+ people watching him at any given time, which is a hell of a lot of people getting influenced by him trolling. Quick ban nips that trickle-down real fast. I disagree, the people watching saint's stream are currently not playing the game. They're not gonna then go into a game and mimic what he did right away. However, if someone trolls you in your game, that frustration is more likely to cause you to troll next game than if you saw it on saint's stream. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:14 Craton wrote: So then complain that they don't do it more often, not that SV got banned for doing it once. You can't argue for harsher punishment but say it's unfair to ban someone for what you want more harshly enforced. Sure it is, mostly because the standard had been set already. How is it fair to set a line and then supersede it whenever the hell you want? Is random justice really justice at all? Plus, I actually enjoyed this trolling. -.- | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:10 Hynda wrote: And I am a firm believer that pro players should be judged harder than some random guy. Why? Cause they are the pros. If it's your job you have no right to complain if you get a legit ban even if it is for a minor infraction. People keep crying out for professionalism, but want their pros pampered. Want to make a better scene? Play hardball. Pros think they are better than you? Ban them. Pros think they can act however they want? Ban them. Riot needs to take less shit, aswell as ofc learning how to run a simple tournament (-.-, why riot why can't you do this simple thing). My dream is when every single E-sport team have a manager that doesn't play, only then can we see som actual improvement. Pro = tourney player != solo queue. Playing solo queue is NOT his job. Streaming himself playing lol and winning tourneys is. Riot has no word to say on this and has no reason te by harsher on pros. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:18 Hynda wrote: The just thing. He is a posterboy for your product, he gains his living of your product. You show them that you can bring them down in seconds if they step out of line. That is how you run a buisness. So in essence, he gets punished because among all the streamers that are currently online, he got unlucky that a Rioter was watching his stream and felt strongly enough to go and ban him. I don't disagree with the spirit of holding high-profile streamers to higher standards, but I do disagree with being wishy-washy about it. If they really are going to make a big deal about holding streamers to higher standards, then they should formalize said standards and enforce them, rather than just using the idea of it to ban high Elo streamers seemingly on a whim. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: why did chaox's main get banned? I don't think his account got banned, he is just banned from the forums. Reason he stated was because he advertised lessons when he wasn't yet known, not that his reputation would have stopped the ban I think. | ||
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