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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 21 2011 02:26 GMT
#2681
saint's ban is warranted. Pros are put on a pedestal, so let's no encourage their behavior if it's negative. It's 3-4 days ban on his main account. CLG has smurfs, so no skin off saint's back tbh.
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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 21 2011 02:28 GMT
#2682
On December 21 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 11:18 Hynda wrote:
On December 21 2011 11:15 TheYango wrote:
On December 21 2011 11:10 Craton wrote:
On December 21 2011 10:57 tobi9999 wrote:
Yet the people who are legitly being assholes still exist. "I don't support, switch or we double AD"

How can you be mad that he got banned for trolling someone because they didn't let him jungle, while simultaneously condemning everyone else who does just that?

It's the difference between being fair and being just. You obviously can't ban all the people trolling. So when a high-profile player trolls on stream, do you do the just thing and ban him for doing wrong, or do you do the fair thing and let him be handled through the same process as the other trolls (and get punished at the same totally unreliable rate)?
The just thing. He is a posterboy for your product, he gains his living of your product. You show them that you can bring them down in seconds if they step out of line. That is how you run a buisness.

So in essence, he gets punished because among all the streamers that are currently online, he got unlucky that a Rioter was watching his stream and felt strongly enough to go and ban him.

I don't disagree with the spirit of holding high-profile streamers to higher standards, but I do disagree with being wishy-washy about it. If they really are going to make a big deal about holding streamers to higher standards, then they should formalize said standards and enforce them, rather than just using the idea of it to ban high Elo streamers seemingly on a whim.

It's pretty rare that such a high profile streamer trolls that hard, but yea obviously there is going ot be some element of luck. You know that Riot is going to hold you to higher standard and will do controls from time to time. This was also something that was widely announced. For example if Oddone calls someone a retard there isn't going to be a thread about it.
If you do something stupid that gives you alot of attention, expect a ban. Otherwise yea you MIGHT get away with your everyday trash, but there could always be a rioter watching. That is what you want to convey.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
December 21 2011 02:31 GMT
#2683
It IS formalized:

If they happen to see you troll, they ban you. Do you expect them to patrol all the streams 100%?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:35:43
December 21 2011 02:32 GMT
#2684
On December 21 2011 11:28 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:
On December 21 2011 11:18 Hynda wrote:
On December 21 2011 11:15 TheYango wrote:
On December 21 2011 11:10 Craton wrote:
On December 21 2011 10:57 tobi9999 wrote:
Yet the people who are legitly being assholes still exist. "I don't support, switch or we double AD"

How can you be mad that he got banned for trolling someone because they didn't let him jungle, while simultaneously condemning everyone else who does just that?

It's the difference between being fair and being just. You obviously can't ban all the people trolling. So when a high-profile player trolls on stream, do you do the just thing and ban him for doing wrong, or do you do the fair thing and let him be handled through the same process as the other trolls (and get punished at the same totally unreliable rate)?
The just thing. He is a posterboy for your product, he gains his living of your product. You show them that you can bring them down in seconds if they step out of line. That is how you run a buisness.

So in essence, he gets punished because among all the streamers that are currently online, he got unlucky that a Rioter was watching his stream and felt strongly enough to go and ban him.

I don't disagree with the spirit of holding high-profile streamers to higher standards, but I do disagree with being wishy-washy about it. If they really are going to make a big deal about holding streamers to higher standards, then they should formalize said standards and enforce them, rather than just using the idea of it to ban high Elo streamers seemingly on a whim.

It's pretty rare that such a high profile streamer trolls that hard, but yea obviously there is going ot be some element of luck. You know that Riot is going to hold you to higher standard and will do controls from time to time. This was also something that was widely announced. For example if Oddone calls someone a retard there isn't going to be a thread about it.
If you do something stupid that gives you alot of attention, expect a ban. Otherwise yea you MIGHT get away with your everyday trash, but there could always be a rioter watching. That is what you want to convey.

I just don't think trying to scare people by being vague and arbitrary about when you're watching and what you can be banned for is the right way to go about it. IMO it's much better to lay down a strict set of rules when you want to be stricter with high-profile streamers.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:35:12
December 21 2011 02:34 GMT
#2685
On December 21 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:
I don't disagree with the spirit of holding high-profile streamers to higher standards, but I do disagree with being wishy-washy about it. If they really are going to make a big deal about holding streamers to higher standards, then they should formalize said standards and enforce them, rather than just using the idea of it to ban high Elo streamers seemingly on a whim.


They have done that. This is not the first time a streamer has been banned because of actions on their stream, so not only is there precedence, but there is also the quote someone mentioned earlier, by Riot themselves, that they will hold streamers accountable for what goes on in game on their streams.

I see nothing wrong with this situation and the way it was handled, and I'm about as anti-Riot as it gets so that's gotta be worth something.

This type of enforcement happens in practical real life situations all the time, it's a huge part of a deterrent based system of law/punishment.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 21 2011 02:35 GMT
#2686
On December 21 2011 11:31 Pooshlmer wrote:
It IS formalized:

If they happen to see you troll, they ban you. Do you expect them to patrol all the streams 100%?

Except i highly doubt this is the case all the time. High Elo players troll and do banworthy shit all the time. I'm betting there were a lot of times Rioters happened to be watching but were just too lazy to log in and press the button.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#2687
Just went 6/0/10 with Jungle maokai.
Step aside xin, I have a new main jungle pick.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#2688
On December 21 2011 11:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 11:31 Pooshlmer wrote:
It IS formalized:

If they happen to see you troll, they ban you. Do you expect them to patrol all the streams 100%?

Except i highly doubt this is the case all the time. High Elo players troll and do banworthy shit all the time. I'm betting there were a lot of times Rioters happened to be watching but were just too lazy to log in and press the button.
This generated enough attention for them to make them HAVE to act. They couldn't have let this slip without looking like they will allow pros to do anything they want. He was so blatantly no grey line about it trolling, spawning threads and memes.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#2689
On December 21 2011 11:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 11:31 Pooshlmer wrote:
It IS formalized:

If they happen to see you troll, they ban you. Do you expect them to patrol all the streams 100%?

Except i highly doubt this is the case all the time. High Elo players troll and do banworthy shit all the time. I'm betting there were a lot of times Rioters happened to be watching but were just too lazy to log in and press the button.


Maybe, probably. Riot just needs more transparency/consistency. Something like this would take manpower to maintain. It would be beneficial, it's just not a priority.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#2690
But everybody speeds! The only thing I did wrong was speeding next to a cop, I swears!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:41:30
December 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#2691
SV was a complete asshat that game. Does a single game as a complete asshat warrant a 3? day ban?
Like saint can be a dick through what he says on stream, but there is not a single game I've ever seen him play where he wasn't legitimately trying to win before that game. He might pick something like jungle nidalee or jungle kayle, but he ACTUALLY DOES SHIT. It's not like some retarded troll who randoms, dies to jungle creeps, and goes "HERP DERP SORRY, I'M BAD" then proceeds to feed double buff to enemy's AD carry for free just to troll saying "sorry, i don't know how to jungle x champ, huehuehue."
It's him trying to win but having fun and trying to be entertaining while doing it. There is a hugeeee difference between those 2 things. Most of solo q are the trolls and SHOULD be banned. Saint is a lot different from those guys. He had literally 1 game doing what millions of player do daily in solo q, and gets punished for it. =/
If you're going to enforce your rules, then do it to the worse cases first.....get rid of the morons who troll constantly trying to lose, curses in all chat, yells racial slurs in all chat, intentionally feeds, etc. -_-
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
December 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#2692
On December 21 2011 11:38 Haemonculus wrote:
But everybody speeds! The only thing I did wrong was speeding next to a cop, I swears!


I was just about to type a response about 'getting caught speeding' but the cop just letting it roll for whatever reason(apathy, you weren't 'speeding enough,' laziness, w/e), thanks for covering that for me.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#2693
On December 21 2011 10:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i love how guardsman bob pronounces vayne :D

You mean Wayne.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:42:27
December 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#2694
I'd forgotten how much bullshit Irelia is until the last two days of playing her in ranked :D
twitch.tv/cratonz
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 21 2011 02:42 GMT
#2695
On December 21 2011 11:40 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 10:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i love how guardsman bob pronounces vayne :D

You mean Wayne.


Bruce Wayne! :D

And you wonder where they got the name Vayne from. ^^
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 21 2011 02:44 GMT
#2696
Watching Saint playing Dota2

Lapaka is carrying hard as Anti Mage

just realized how broken that blink skill is l0l
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:46:38
December 21 2011 02:45 GMT
#2697
On December 21 2011 11:44 tobi9999 wrote:
just realized how broken that blink skill is l0l

Welcome to the world of DotA, where a support that has an ally-castable Tryndamere ult as a regular skill on a 15 second cooldown is a weak pick.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 21 2011 02:47 GMT
#2698
What ever happened to poppy? I think I stop seeing her after I reached level 30. No one ever plays her any more. What's the reason?
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:48:34
December 21 2011 02:47 GMT
#2699
On December 21 2011 11:20 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 11:17 Craton wrote:
It's not somehow unfair or unjust to ban him faster than normal. He has 5k+ people watching him at any given time, which is a hell of a lot of people getting influenced by him trolling. Quick ban nips that trickle-down real fast.


I disagree, the people watching saint's stream are currently not playing the game. They're not gonna then go into a game and mimic what he did right away. However, if someone trolls you in your game, that frustration is more likely to cause you to troll next game than if you saw it on saint's stream.

The probably won't do it right away, but any pattern of seeing high profile people trolling unpunished just encourages others to troll at some point.

On December 21 2011 11:21 mr_tolkien wrote:
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On December 21 2011 11:10 Hynda wrote:
And I am a firm believer that pro players should be judged harder than some random guy. Why? Cause they are the pros. If it's your job you have no right to complain if you get a legit ban even if it is for a minor infraction. People keep crying out for professionalism, but want their pros pampered. Want to make a better scene? Play hardball. Pros think they are better than you? Ban them. Pros think they can act however they want? Ban them. Riot needs to take less shit, aswell as ofc learning how to run a simple tournament (-.-, why riot why can't you do this simple thing). My dream is when every single E-sport team have a manager that doesn't play, only then can we see som actual improvement.

Pro = tourney player != solo queue.
Playing solo queue is NOT his job. Streaming himself playing lol and winning tourneys is. Riot has no word to say on this and has no reason te by harsher on pros.

I'm pretty sure they don't care whether you're pro or not, but rather whether you're a notable figure (aka lots of viewers).
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petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 21 2011 03:00 GMT
#2700
On December 21 2011 11:47 wei2coolman wrote:
What ever happened to poppy? I think I stop seeing her after I reached level 30. No one ever plays her any more. What's the reason?


I think she is hard to place in a teamcomp. She loses to a lot of top lanes and mid lanes, takes forever to jungle, and can get zoned without the right support when bot.

Still a really strong champ, but you have to be careful because if you get a bad lane match up you can be in big trouble.
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