EPTWell at least this means I'll be able to see him feed at DotA 2 \o/
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Well at least this means I'll be able to see him feed at DotA 2 \o/ | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:48 mr_tolkien wrote: SV acted douchey in ONE GAME. This doesn't warrant an insta-ban oO Exactly. It deserves to go through the same Tribunal review process that every other player gets. Rioters directly intervening just because it's SV streaming is being unfair to him. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:48 mr_tolkien wrote: SV acted douchey in ONE GAME. This doesn't warrant an insta-ban oO Well at least this means I'll be able to see him feed at DotA 2 \o/ He was being a dick earlier when I watched his stream and apparently was picking random champions and then jungling them. I doubt it was just for that one game. Yango, iirc, Riot said several months ago that they hold streamers to higher expectations and informed them that they could be banned for actions they do on stream. HSGG got really pissed about it for an entire day. Then everyone stopped caring and forgot about it. To clarify, I'm not saying I agree with Riot's stance on streamers. Just sayin' that I believe that's their position. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
He more or less intentionally ruined a game for everyone because he was butthurt that he didn't get his desired role. If that's not what's wrong with solo q, I don't know what is. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:43 iCanada wrote: I think it is fair. Unless you think random solo queu'er's are better than pros at their prospective roles... why wouldn't you put the best players in the best carrying roles? idk man. You don't have to be a better jungler than Saint to make it the obvious position for you to play though. Say I magically became good at this game and played jungle up to 2k. If I get into a game with Saint it doesn't make sense for me to suddenly switch over to something else. He might be the better jungler, but his off role is stronger than my off role so it's a net gain for me to jungle over him. If he really wanted to win he could give me tips on how I can improve while we play the game and I'd probably listen to him since he's one of the best junglers in NA. Of course, he'd probably just spam about how bad I am the entire game because the pro league players are mostly douchebags. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:50 overt wrote: He was being a dick earlier when I watched his stream and apparently was picking random champions and then jungling them. I doubt it was just for that one game. Randoming to jungle is not being a dick. He did well with Corki in the jungle, he did well with old school Nunu in the jungle, even though it was trickier with Veigar, he still did a decent job... This is stupid to ban him for that. What is the image they want to give of LoL ? A game where you have 10 picks per position, and when you get BANNED for TRYING something else ? It's not even like he was trolling 100% of the games he was in. Do you imagine Blizz banning Idra for being BM in one game ? I don't. I'd rather see Riot having an insta-ban system for AFKs and hardcore feeders/whiners than for legit players just having fun. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:50 overt wrote: Yango, iirc, Riot said several months ago that they hold streamers to higher expectations and informed them that they could be banned for actions they do on stream. HSGG got really pissed about it for an entire day. Then everyone stopped caring and forgot about it. Hmm, you're right. I forgot about that. I still don't necessarily agree with circumventing the process though, even if you're going to hold them to higher standards. The jury can be harsher on someone who's famous, but you still have to give them a trial. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:53 mr_tolkien wrote: Randoming to jungle is not being a dick. He did well with Corki in the jungle, he did well with old school Nunu in the jungle, even though it was trickier with Veigar, he still did a decent job... This is stupid to ban him for that. What is the image they want to give of LoL ? A game where you have 10 picks per position, and when you get BANNED for TRYING something else ? It's not even like he was trolling 100% of the games he was in. Do you imagine Blizz banning Idra for being BM in one game ? I don't. I'd rather see Riot having an insta-ban system for AFKs and hardcore feeders/whiners than for legit players just having fun. That's not what he got banned for though, o.o | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:53 TheYango wrote: Hmm, you're right. I forgot about that. I still don't necessarily agree with circumventing the process though, even if you're going to hold them to higher standards. The jury can be harsher on someone who's famous, but you still have to give them a trial. that assumes that a tribunal is a requirement for all bans. this isn't the case, riot still reserves the right to ban who they want to, regardless of tribunal or not. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:53 mr_tolkien wrote: Randoming to jungle is not being a dick. He did well with Corki in the jungle, he did well with old school Nunu in the jungle, even though it was trickier with Veigar, he still did a decent job... This is stupid to ban him for that. What is the image they want to give of LoL ? A game where you have 10 picks per position, and when you get BANNED for TRYING something else ? It's not even like he was trolling 100% of the games he was in. Do you imagine Blizz banning Idra for being BM in one game ? I don't. Two things, he was being a dick to someone in game. It was a Graves I believe. He said he was gonna copy HSGG and just tell them that he makes more money than them and can throw games. I don't think it was for randoming jungle, it was for how he acted to teammates who questioned him. StarCraft comparisons happen too much. LoL is completely different. If IdrA is being BM or doing something stupid it only effects his chances of winning. Not four other people. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
Saint was actually trying with his jungles, he was just trying to entertain. Yet the people who are legitly being assholes still exist. "I don't support, switch or we double AD" If they banned those guys like they banned Saint I would be fine, but they show up AT LEAST 1 in every 10 games. Where are da banz??? Also, Chaox banned from forums for no reason | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
edit: wow I get ninjad all day when I bother to capitalize posts | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:47 barbsq wrote: i dont think you can really use that argument, because you can't guarantee that 100% of the lol population knows all the pros and what they play. If just 1 person doesn't know saintvicious, and mains jungle, and has a higher pick than sv, you can't really expect them to cede the position to them. edit: @ yango, i'm not really sure you can lump high profile streamers into the same category as normal users tho. the streamers are kinda expected to be 'role models' of sorts, which means that inevitably they fall under a different category in terms of judgement regardless of what you do. I havn't really formed an opinion on whether i agree with you or not yet, but i dont think it's that black and white. Okay, that makes sense if there are FOUR people who don't know SV. But, seeing how the rest of the team knew that SV was the best person on the team it just makes more sense to leave it to him. When you have four people on your team that want pone thing, why the hell would you do another? Just asking to lose. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:43 iCanada wrote: I think it is fair. Unless you think random solo queu'er's are better than pros at their prospective roles... why wouldn't you put the best players in the best carrying roles? idk man. well according to the elo system a lot of them are. and what can you really learn that will help your team game from solo queue? i think the fact that pros solo queue so much shows how little they care about improving ;/ seems crazy in a competitive game that 99% of pros spend 90% of their time just pissing around | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:51 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: You don't have to be a better jungler than Saint to make it the obvious position for you to play though. Say I magically became good at this game and played jungle up to 2k. If I get into a game with Saint it doesn't make sense for me to suddenly switch over to something else. He might be the better jungler, but his off role is stronger than my off role so it's a net gain for me to jungle over him. If he really wanted to win he could give me tips on how I can improve while we play the game and I'd probably listen to him since he's one of the best junglers in NA. Of course, he'd probably just spam about how bad I am the entire game because the pro league players are mostly douchebags. I dunno, I'd rather have a terrible solo top and SV jungling than an average jungler and a slightly above average solo top. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:58 iCanada wrote: Okay, that makes sense if there are FOUR people who don't know SV. But, seeing how the rest of the team knew that SV was the best person on the team it just makes more sense to leave it to him. When you have four people on your team that want pone thing, why the hell would you do another? Just asking to lose. ultimately tho, what it comes down to is one guy says 'im jungling' and is higher pick than sv, sv says 'no, i'm jungling not you' (from what i understand from comments in GD). the other 3 players don't really factor into this equation. Yes, they can reinforce sv's pro status, but they cannot guarantee that the 1 person will understand or even believe them. edit: this is actually purely hypothetical, i'm not really sure why i'm bringing this up | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:48 mr_tolkien wrote: SV acted douchey in ONE GAME. This doesn't warrant an insta-ban oO Well at least this means I'll be able to see him feed at DotA 2 \o/ I can probably count 100 games where SV has been complete asshat. It's not just 1 game. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:56 overt wrote: StarCraft comparisons happen too much. LoL is completely different. If IdrA is being BM or doing something stupid it only effects his chances of winning. Not four other people. Maybe because we're on a StarCraft forum and have all played and watched StarCraft at a given point ? Riot involvement in the scene could be good. But it's just awful at the moment, they're doing so much things wrong. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:57 tobi9999 wrote: That is complete bullshit Saint was actually trying with his jungles, he was just trying to entertain. Yet the people who are legitly being assholes still exist. "I don't support, switch or we double AD" If they banned those guys like they banned Saint I would be fine, but they show up AT LEAST 1 in every 10 games. Where are da banz??? Also, Chaox banned from forums for no reason Zzzz but that's *exactly* what he got banned for. Had nothing to do with trying to jungle unusual champions. -Player A says he wants to jungle and picks lee sin, (he is higher in the queue order) -SV says "no I am jungling" and locks in trundle after lee has already picked -SV follows A around all game in jungle, sniping last hits, (and missing a lot of them to boot) -SV also whining about it all game If that's not "I don't do role _____, switch or I afk/feed/troll", then wtf is it? He wanted to jungle, someone else had already picked it, so he picks jungle anyway and trolls this kid (not to mention the rest of the team, two underfed jungles competing for farm, and a solo bot vayne due to no support pick) That is *exactly* what's wrong with solo q, and the LoL community in general. We get posts on TL here all the time complaining about the jerk who called top and threatened to AFK if he didn't get it. How is a famous streamer doing exactly that any different? | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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