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Want to rage about your latest loss? Use the QQ thread. If you whine in GD, you'll get warned. ===== + Show Spoiler + If your [Stream] thread was moved to the general TL Stream subforum (aka SC stream land), find your thread and PM it to me and I'll move it back to LoL territory. I can argue with staff that moving a non-SC thread into a SC subforum is just asking for that thread to get buried. - Neo, Dec. 15 2011, 6:33 KST I have admin approval. I'll be moving LoL streams back to the subforum. Stream name will be based on Summoner name. - Neo 7:07 KST | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 20 2011 15:43 HeroHenry wrote: How do i play karthus correctly, i find myself suiciding into them every team fight just to do that aoe damage. Nope, thats pretty much playing karthus correctly. Just make sure you leave enough time for your ult. Oh and hit walls. Other than that you have him down. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 20 2011 15:43 HeroHenry wrote: How do i play karthus correctly, i find myself suiciding into them every team fight just to do that aoe damage. That's basically the right way to play him. Wait for hard CC to go off, then wall behind them, walk into the middle of them, and Q the squishiest thing close to you until you die, then ult. If your team can't win a teamfight after their AP Carry went in and did a fuckton of damage, you can always do revive/tele karthus and clean them all up yourself with super speed. | ||
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
I mean if you can stay alive while doing damage by all means do it. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 20 2011 15:21 UniversalSnip wrote: Warning for unjustified theorycrafting: this is not theory crafting, this is from watching dyrus crush yorick repeatedly on stream and then laugh about how unfair it is because he gets free dodge procs from the ghouls. What a random warn, I'm pretty sure if loco had said it it would be taken on faith on that he knew what he was talking about but because I said it it's taken on faith that I'm talking out of my ass. Ouch. it's probably more for the "unjustified" one-liner part than the theorycraft part. | ||
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Canada4732 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 20 2011 16:27 travis wrote: I don't really think you should be like "oh time to die for the team now!", though I mean if you can stay alive while doing damage by all means do it. You aren't intentionally dying but Karthus, Kennen, and Morgana for example all play that way. Especially Karthus. Run into the enemy team, do your big giant AoE burst, win the team fight or get mad because your team is retarded and couldn't win the fight even though you did your job perfectly. Bonus points if you don't die. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 20 2011 15:21 UniversalSnip wrote: Warning for unjustified theorycrafting: this is not theory crafting, this is from watching dyrus crush yorick repeatedly on stream and then laugh about how unfair it is because he gets free dodge procs from the ghouls. What a random warn, I'm pretty sure if loco had said it it would be taken on faith on that he knew what he was talking about but because I said it it's taken on faith that I'm talking out of my ass. Ouch. This is because Jax doesn't beat yorick, if jax can make it to his tabi/wriggles he can deal with him but otherwise he'll get to low from minion dmg/E/W spam anyways, it's pretty hard for jax to deal with early actually. Not to mention if dyrus jax "counters" something it doesn't mean most players playing jax will do the same. Dyrus also crushes nasus as jax for example while most fail against nasus. As for the null mantle vs yorick, cloth is still good because they help with the minion damage and give you more pots+faster wriggles. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:07 JackDino wrote: This is because Jax doesn't beat yorick, if jax can make it to his tabi/wriggles he can deal with him but otherwise he'll get to low from minion dmg/E/W spam anyways, it's pretty hard for jax to deal with early actually. Not to mention if dyrus jax "counters" something it doesn't mean most players playing jax will do the same. Dyrus also crushes nasus as jax for example while most fail against nasus. As for the null mantle vs yorick, cloth is still good because they help with the minion damage and give you more pots+faster wriggles. @USnip: You were warned because someone asked a question and you gave the vaguest one liner possible. There was zero justification from you. Not to mention that you're basing this assessment on watching the best Jax player in the game vs random Yoricks in solo queue. Dyrus aside, how would you justify stopping Yorick's sustain if he refuses to trade early on as Jax? Yorick spec'd vs Jax + health pots + leveling his E. Jax has to bank on burst (WQ + timed E stuns) or loses lane. Not exactly my idea of a counter. Edit: Also, how many times have you played Jax vs Yorick? How many times did you win? | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:41 NeoIllusions wrote: @USnip: You were warned because someone asked a question and you gave the vaguest one liner possible. There was zero justification from you. Not to mention that you're basing this assessment on watching the best Jax player in the game vs random Yoricks in solo queue. Dyrus aside, how would you justify stopping Yorick's sustain if he refuses to trade early on as Jax? Yorick spec'd vs Jax + health pots + leveling his E. Jax has to bank on burst (WQ + timed E stuns) or loses lane. Not exactly my idea of a counter. Edit: Also, how many times have you played Jax vs Yorick? How many times did you win? the worst part about what he said is that Dyrus himself says that Yorick doesn't lose in lane to anyone. lol On another note, I think Jax is secret OP ever since mastery change. you can get so many more stats at game start. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:51 tobi9999 wrote: the worst part about what he said is that Dyrus himself says that Yorick doesn't lose in lane to anyone. lol On another note, I think Jax is secret OP ever since mastery change. you can get so many more stats at game start. The thing with Yorick is that he has free harass with those stupid minions and sustain, they dont even push the lane if you use them properly(maybe his W does), so you just gotta pick a champ who can farm against him. Certain champs can kill him though, like jax once he gets tabi and wriggles should have no problem with yorick at all, it's a real pain before that however. To be fair, Jax can kill a lot of champs once he has tabi and some sustain and his enemy doesn't have a sotd. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On December 20 2011 12:52 r.Evo wrote: I can't speak for US or anything, but on EUW shaco is currently permaban between 1400-1800. If he's picked, he wrecks games. So, yeah. Shaco all day. =D Don't think he is in the US. If my teammates ask me to ban him, I do- but otherwise, he doesn't particularly scare me. Only thing that scares me is my teammates letting him snowball hardcore. Or someone on my team picking him and sucking terribly. I see a lot of really bad Shacos too. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 20 2011 17:02 overt wrote: You aren't intentionally dying but Karthus, Kennen, and Morgana for example all play that way. Especially Karthus. Run into the enemy team, do your big giant AoE burst, win the team fight or get mad because your team is retarded and couldn't win the fight even though you did your job perfectly. Bonus points if you don't die. But the latter two actually click their zhonya's once they're in!  | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 20 2011 16:29 Ryuu314 wrote: it's probably more for the "unjustified" one-liner part than the theorycraft part. If you had mentioned Dyrus' name anywhere in there rather than just one line of "Jax beats Yorick" you probably wouldn't have been warned. And yes, we'll take Loci's word straight up in cases that we won't take yours. Just like we'd take any of the SC2 strategy forum blue-highlighted poster's words but not those of a random TL member (even one we know). | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 20 2011 18:10 sylverfyre wrote: If you had mentioned Dyrus' name anywhere in there rather than just one line of "Jax beats Yorick" you probably wouldn't have been warned. And yes, we'll take Loci's word straight up in cases that we won't take yours. Just like we'd take any of the SC2 strategy forum blue-highlighted poster's words but not those of a random TL member (even one we know). He said Loco:p | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I imagine something like Garen/Pantheon top, LB mid, Urgot as an AD carry, since they seem to be the ones that falls off hardest later (Caitlyn revolves around being relatively better than her counterpart rather than objectively powerful, so I'm not sure about her), but I can't come up with a jungler and support to compliment that. I guess no "standard" support truly falls off, perhaps Taric? While we're at support, Nunu+Sivir (with a bit of Trundle from the jungle) has such insane chasing power it's unfair. o_o They could only escape because there was Nidalee, Master Yi, Shen, Akali. And still, Absolute Zero > Shroud.  (and Stand United > Absolute Zero when Shen appears out of nowhere and she comes out of stealth with 100 hp and a tiny bit a shield, QQ). | ||
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