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On December 02 2011 02:53 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 02:39 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 02 2011 02:37 Woony wrote:On December 02 2011 01:28 Sandster wrote:On December 02 2011 00:35 Southlight wrote:
Because Cass gets axed by CC and suffers from her short range compared to most other great-scaling AP heroes. I don't get this - one of the main reasons Cass is so strong in lane is because she has longer effective range than pretty much everyone not named Xerath. Same thing in team fights - you use Q and W to slow their entire team and watch them run helplessly, and if they get caught out of position and/or run towards you then you can pick them off with E. Pretty much every AP (except Xerath, fuck that guy) needs to get pretty close for their full nukes. Yeah but Cass has to stay in there to do damage will most other APs can just blow CDs and back off until a new round of CDs is up. If you are "staying in" with cass you are doing something wrong. You have huge range. Abuse it. You have to play her like an ad carry almost- just pick off whoever is stupid enough to separate forward. I believe what was meant by "staying in" is that Cass must reside in the 700-850 range for the entire duration of a team fight to fulfill her damage potential, whereas many other AP champions (Malzahar, Brand, et al) can unload everything and then back the hell off until their CDs are back.
I love playing against champions that get close to me. Drop a W on top of myself, ult, Q, spam E, ignite, dead. She has such high sustained damage, I don't know how they haven't nerfed her yet. The thing with champions that can unload and then back off is that they are then doing nothing. Cass is constantly in on the action and putting out a beating. If she starts to get chased, kite. Her ult is extremely devastating. Getting just 3 of them makes it an easy team fight, and the damage on it is huge to boot. #1 AP carry in my heart.
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She's not nerfed because she's almost all skillshot, champions with skillshots are usually stronger than nonskillshot champs.
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cass ult is a little like amumu's
one good ult can win a fight/game
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On December 01 2011 23:23 redtooth wrote:
anyways, i laid out a pretty clear scenario imo. given equal amounts of farm, who scales better into the late game in relation to the rest of a theoretical team. some examples of people who aren''t are leblanc and ryze imo. other people seemed to have understood it and gave their input.
It's not clear because "who scales best" can mean anything. Veigar has amazing burst scaling, but his DPS is pretty laughable. Cassiopeia's burst is weak, but her DPS scaling is insane. Kog'Maw and Xerath scale incredibly well into lategame against not-so-mobile enemy team compositions just because of their range. Ryze scales very well into lategame against teams that rely on their ranged AD to deal the damage because lategame Ryze is naturally tanky, but has the range and damage to kill ranged ADs.
Anyways:
Poppy with DFG, Lichbane, Deathcap, Voidstaff.
If there's anyone who doesn't care about the actual scenario and just owns because she's got way more farm than she should have, it's Poppy.
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On December 02 2011 03:13 Craton wrote:
cass ult is a little like amumu's
one good ult can win a fight/game
Except that I feel like a monster when I use Cass ult.
SKRAAAWWWWWWWWWWW x.x
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I've decided that the jungle changes suck. I was on a 10+ game winning streak with Rammus in the Jungle. Last night I played a few games to try the changed jungle for the first time. I lost like 4 games in a row and had terribad KDR. The lack of Gold and Exp just puts you SO FAR behind on the power curve coming out of the jungle. I feel neutered.
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On December 02 2011 03:23 Terranasaur wrote:
I've decided that the jungle changes suck. I was on a 10+ game winning streak with Rammus in the Jungle. Last night I played a few games to try the changed jungle for the first time. I lost like 4 games in a row and had terribad KDR. The lack of Gold and Exp just puts you SO FAR behind on the power curve coming out of the jungle. I feel neutered.
Exactly as planned.
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Rammus pre-remake largely thrived on his powerful, repeatable ganks and high mobility. Post-remake the value of those qualities is greatly diminished.
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On December 02 2011 03:13 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 23:23 redtooth wrote:
anyways, i laid out a pretty clear scenario imo. given equal amounts of farm, who scales better into the late game in relation to the rest of a theoretical team. some examples of people who aren''t are leblanc and ryze imo. other people seemed to have understood it and gave their input. It's not clear because "who scales best" can mean anything. Veigar has amazing burst scaling, but his DPS is pretty laughable. Cassiopeia's burst is weak, but her DPS scaling is insane. Kog'Maw and Xerath scale incredibly well into lategame against not-so-mobile enemy team compositions just because of their range. Ryze scales very well into lategame against teams that rely on their ranged AD to deal the damage because lategame Ryze is naturally tanky, but has the range and damage to kill ranged ADs. Anyways: Poppy with DFG, Lichbane, Deathcap, Voidstaff. If there's anyone who doesn't care about the actual scenario and just owns because she's got way more farm than she should have, it's Poppy.
I'd argue Riven also falls into that hyper-carry scaling. With normal farm, she does well, but with a couple kills and unchecked farming, she just runs through stuff. Her defense and offense and steroid all scale stupidly off AD.
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On December 02 2011 03:33 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 03:13 spinesheath wrote:On December 01 2011 23:23 redtooth wrote:
anyways, i laid out a pretty clear scenario imo. given equal amounts of farm, who scales better into the late game in relation to the rest of a theoretical team. some examples of people who aren''t are leblanc and ryze imo. other people seemed to have understood it and gave their input. It's not clear because "who scales best" can mean anything. Veigar has amazing burst scaling, but his DPS is pretty laughable. Cassiopeia's burst is weak, but her DPS scaling is insane. Kog'Maw and Xerath scale incredibly well into lategame against not-so-mobile enemy team compositions just because of their range. Ryze scales very well into lategame against teams that rely on their ranged AD to deal the damage because lategame Ryze is naturally tanky, but has the range and damage to kill ranged ADs. Anyways: Poppy with DFG, Lichbane, Deathcap, Voidstaff. If there's anyone who doesn't care about the actual scenario and just owns because she's got way more farm than she should have, it's Poppy. I'd argue Riven also falls into that hyper-carry scaling. With normal farm, she does well, but with a couple kills and unchecked farming, she just runs through stuff. Her defense and offense and steroid all scale stupidly off AD.
He asked about AP. At least that was clear. Now, you surely can build DFG/Lichbane Riven, but I doubt it's going to do you any good.
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On December 02 2011 03:31 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 03:23 Terranasaur wrote:
I've decided that the jungle changes suck. I was on a 10+ game winning streak with Rammus in the Jungle. Last night I played a few games to try the changed jungle for the first time. I lost like 4 games in a row and had terribad KDR. The lack of Gold and Exp just puts you SO FAR behind on the power curve coming out of the jungle. I feel neutered. Exactly as planned.
Seriously. I think that teams might be stronger right now without running a jungler at all. Running two duo lanes and grabbing buffs whenever you can.
When the Moose has become dead weight to a team you know something is messed up.
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Which are good vsteemo solo top picks? Kennen?
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On December 02 2011 03:23 Terranasaur wrote:
I've decided that the jungle changes suck. I was on a 10+ game winning streak with Rammus in the Jungle. Last night I played a few games to try the changed jungle for the first time. I lost like 4 games in a row and had terribad KDR. The lack of Gold and Exp just puts you SO FAR behind on the power curve coming out of the jungle. I feel neutered.
I tried the new jungle for the first time last night too. Felt so poor. I just started jungling about a month ago and I loved it. So disheartening. I'm sure better players can make it work but I feel like there's no reason for me to jungle when I won't be able to keep up with everyone else.
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Only junglers I've seen work are Udyr Skarner and Shaco. First two aoe clear 24/7 and shaco has boxes do buffs by themselves while he clears somewhere else.
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Amumu is great, just start regrowth1, get fast philo+hog and just jungle, gank when you have ult up and can get drag etc.
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I heard Shyv works as well for the same reason as Udyr and Skarner
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On December 02 2011 03:13 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 23:23 redtooth wrote:
anyways, i laid out a pretty clear scenario imo. given equal amounts of farm, who scales better into the late game in relation to the rest of a theoretical team. some examples of people who aren''t are leblanc and ryze imo. other people seemed to have understood it and gave their input. It's not clear because "who scales best" can mean anything. Veigar has amazing burst scaling, but his DPS is pretty laughable. Cassiopeia's burst is weak, but her DPS scaling is insane. Kog'Maw and Xerath scale incredibly well into lategame against not-so-mobile enemy team compositions just because of their range. Ryze scales very well into lategame against teams that rely on their ranged AD to deal the damage because lategame Ryze is naturally tanky, but has the range and damage to kill ranged ADs.
so basically you overreacted. kk i accept your apology npnp. we be bffs again now!
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I could see Shyv working, but I'd be lukewarm on Amumu.
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Im just curious what Riots endgame is with all these changes. I THINK they expect that a harder to pull of jungle gank means that lanes are going to be more aggressive, but everyone who is at least semidecent at this games knows that it's impossible to kill anyone 1v1 unless someone is drastically better at the game.
I dont even want to think about how boring tourney games are going to be. You thought 20 minute farmfests were bad WITH jungles? Imagine how bad they are going to be when you dont have to worry about dying to a jungle, or having less a worry.
I think that somewhere in their heads Riot thinks they can make the tradeoff between aggression and farming more equal, but honestly, I dont think its possible. Farming will just always be better. And if you can farm safely, why would you bother being an aggressor? Especially if you play someone who can just abuse the other lane, you dont actually ever have to worry about killing them and overextending to do it, you can just be content sending them back to base over and over again cuz health pots dont heal as much anymore.
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On December 02 2011 03:40 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 03:33 Requizen wrote:On December 02 2011 03:13 spinesheath wrote:On December 01 2011 23:23 redtooth wrote:
anyways, i laid out a pretty clear scenario imo. given equal amounts of farm, who scales better into the late game in relation to the rest of a theoretical team. some examples of people who aren''t are leblanc and ryze imo. other people seemed to have understood it and gave their input. It's not clear because "who scales best" can mean anything. Veigar has amazing burst scaling, but his DPS is pretty laughable. Cassiopeia's burst is weak, but her DPS scaling is insane. Kog'Maw and Xerath scale incredibly well into lategame against not-so-mobile enemy team compositions just because of their range. Ryze scales very well into lategame against teams that rely on their ranged AD to deal the damage because lategame Ryze is naturally tanky, but has the range and damage to kill ranged ADs. Anyways: Poppy with DFG, Lichbane, Deathcap, Voidstaff. If there's anyone who doesn't care about the actual scenario and just owns because she's got way more farm than she should have, it's Poppy. I'd argue Riven also falls into that hyper-carry scaling. With normal farm, she does well, but with a couple kills and unchecked farming, she just runs through stuff. Her defense and offense and steroid all scale stupidly off AD. He asked about AP. At least that was clear. Now, you surely can build DFG/Lichbane Riven, but I doubt it's going to do you any good.
Ah, whoops, reading comprehension fail.
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