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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 23

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 22:49 GMT
#441
On November 30 2011 07:37 Unentschieden wrote:
This makes "baiting" ganks a bit more rewarding, if you waste the junglers time you actually accomplish something.

Wasting a jungler's time always accomplished something. If your other laners/jungler weren't making use of the fact that the jungler is in a known location, that's their misplay.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 22:53:14
November 29 2011 22:52 GMT
#442
On November 30 2011 07:07 mordek wrote:
I'm watching Snoopeh gank like non-stop between clears... doesn't look any different than previous.


Snoopeh is EU and patch isn't on EU yet..

Voldemort is hotshot. They don't mention hotshot is streaming incase they lose viewers, lololo.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
November 29 2011 22:53 GMT
#443
On November 30 2011 07:42 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 07:37 Unentschieden wrote:
It puts the decision process a bit closer to what laners have. Anything BUT farming MIGHT be more beneficial but has the opportunity cost of the minions you miss.
Previously junglers had periods where everything in the jungle was dead and there really was no choice but to gank.
This makes "baiting" ganks a bit more rewarding, if you waste the junglers time you actually accomplish something.


The choice at that point wasn't ever "gank or do nothing". You could also counter-jungle, back to buy items, cover a lane for someone else who needed to back or put yourself in a position to counter-gank. The whole "gank vs nothing, there's no real choice" spiel is a false dichotomy.


You are splitting hairs though. The important part isn´t what could be done instead of farming, it´s what you sacrifice for doing so. Previously,while the jungle was cleared that was "nothing".
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 29 2011 22:55 GMT
#444
Meh, normally you go back to buy items just before your wolves spawn for next clear. Lanes normally don't need covering, and counterjungling is risky and probably not going to be much good if they are jungling like you are and clearing before going to gank. Obviously there are exceptions but gank vs do nothing happened A LOT. Sometimes it was just trying to figure out where there jungler would gank and aim for countergank.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 29 2011 23:04 GMT
#445
OddOne thinks that non-wriggle's junglers are pretty bad and that support junglers are completely gone.
kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
November 29 2011 23:08 GMT
#446
On November 30 2011 08:04 overt wrote:
OddOne thinks that non-wriggle's junglers are pretty bad and that support junglers are completely gone.

If small Golems do indeed have 2k+ hp at 20 minutes then he's pretty much right. Watching him do nunu right now is just sad, because he's been ruining that Warwick's jungle and not getting anything from it.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 23:08 GMT
#447
On November 30 2011 08:04 overt wrote:
OddOne thinks that non-wriggle's junglers are pretty bad and that support junglers are completely gone.

Support jungles I agree with, they got screwed hard.

Non wriggles jungles I dont agree with however. Mumu is probably stronger. Same with udyr. Most non wriggles jungles have aoe creep killing skills. Making creeps weaker helps them out.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 29 2011 23:08 GMT
#448
-.- ok so once again Phreak's champion spotlight is singularly unhelpful in my determination of how good a new champion is... "so now im going to be super fed and win"

So is volibear any good? o.o
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 29 2011 23:28 GMT
#449
@ moonbear. I had a bug with tryn's ult today. It it had been going for like a second... and the akali ults me and kills me. Clearly while the ult was still running, everyone else was like, wtf? sorry i dont have more info, but maybe other ppl have had the same problem
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
November 29 2011 23:30 GMT
#450
On November 30 2011 08:28 Dgiese wrote:
@ moonbear. I had a bug with tryn's ult today. It it had been going for like a second... and the akali ults me and kills me. Clearly while the ult was still running, everyone else was like, wtf? sorry i dont have more info, but maybe other ppl have had the same problem


Since I don't play Tryn, I totally want to see this bug.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 29 2011 23:42 GMT
#451
On November 30 2011 07:55 Slayer91 wrote:
Meh, normally you go back to buy items just before your wolves spawn for next clear. Lanes normally don't need covering, and counterjungling is risky and probably not going to be much good if they are jungling like you are and clearing before going to gank. Obviously there are exceptions but gank vs do nothing happened A LOT. Sometimes it was just trying to figure out where there jungler would gank and aim for countergank.


I did explicitly list counter-ganking in my list of "things that aren't nothing you could be doing when ganking isn't an option".

That said I only ever had those "omg I have nothing to do" jungle moments when I was still fairly new to it. Once I learned how to counter-jungle, how to gank from directions that weren't the river bush, how to predict where ganks would happen etc. I stopped having those "herpderp nothing to do" moments entirely.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 29 2011 23:42 GMT
#452
On November 30 2011 08:28 Dgiese wrote:
@ moonbear. I had a bug with tryn's ult today. It it had been going for like a second... and the akali ults me and kills me. Clearly while the ult was still running, everyone else was like, wtf? sorry i dont have more info, but maybe other ppl have had the same problem


Working as intended imoimo :DD
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 29 2011 23:45 GMT
#453
On November 30 2011 08:08 CeriseCherries wrote:
-.- ok so once again Phreak's champion spotlight is singularly unhelpful in my determination of how good a new champion is... "so now im going to be super fed and win"

So is volibear any good? o.o


I just laned garen vs volibear

At first I was like "this dude is op as shit wtf".

But then I figured him out a little better.

He seemed to fall off longer into the game, but the dude I was laning vs was building him like a pure tank which im not sure is how he should be built.


I do suspect he is incredibly strong 1v1 in lane tho.. esp vs other bruisers.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 23:48 GMT
#454
Would explain why this thread popped up

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1538826
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 29 2011 23:49 GMT
#455
I think it's prett obvious that volleyballbear is going to be q 1v1 beast... He's tanky as balls with free effective hp from his passive

But who in their right mind is gonna try to 1v1 him? You saw how long it took him to kill shyvanna inthe preview... NO WAY someone doesn't just walk to the lane and help over that large a timeframe

Like I said earlier that fight was the most drawn out boring piece of shit ever, that would never happen past 1200 elo
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
November 29 2011 23:50 GMT
#456
"Did you know Master Yi cannot jungle anymore? He becomes untargettable for a moment during alpha strike, which makes the game think there is no champion near the creeps anymore and triggers their instant health recharge..."

from some EUW topic about the new jungle :D creeps now regen 5% max hp immediately upon deagro, fks up Yi proper
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
November 29 2011 23:55 GMT
#457
On November 30 2011 08:50 daemir wrote:
"Did you know Master Yi cannot jungle anymore? He becomes untargettable for a moment during alpha strike, which makes the game think there is no champion near the creeps anymore and triggers their instant health recharge..."

from some EUW topic about the new jungle :D creeps now regen 5% max hp immediately upon deagro, fks up Yi proper

lol this is interesting
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 29 2011 23:57 GMT
#458
On November 30 2011 08:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 08:04 overt wrote:
OddOne thinks that non-wriggle's junglers are pretty bad and that support junglers are completely gone.

Support jungles I agree with, they got screwed hard.

Non wriggles jungles I dont agree with however. Mumu is probably stronger. Same with udyr. Most non wriggles jungles have aoe creep killing skills. Making creeps weaker helps them out.

I would say aoe junglers are the only thing viable right now.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 30 2011 00:02 GMT
#459
On November 30 2011 08:08 CeriseCherries wrote:
-.- ok so once again Phreak's champion spotlight is singularly unhelpful in my determination of how good a new champion is... "so now im going to be super fed and win"

So is volibear any good? o.o

His numbers are pretty ridiculously good.
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
November 30 2011 00:08 GMT
#460
I'd say his numbers are more on the "WTF is this shit?" level.
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