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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 30 2011 05:36 Two_DoWn wrote: You can. They buffed red buff exp. Its the same as blue in terms of exp now. Not like it mattered, because you could always get team help for wraiths/minis before doing Red and hit 2 either way. Not getting team help for a small camp between 1:40 and 1:55 is just wasting time. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:07 mordek wrote: I'm watching Snoopeh gank like non-stop between clears... doesn't look any different than previous. Ya I think it basically comes down to the fact that gols and wolves are stupid far away from eachother, so if you do a clear your gonna be full health, and its probably gonna be more efficient to just gank whatever lane you ended up at or back instead of walking all the way back through the jungle again. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
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Craton
United States17262 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:07 mordek wrote: I'm watching Snoopeh gank like non-stop between clears... doesn't look any different than previous. If you don't get a kill, you fall behind in exp/gold. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
zzzz. Lane imbalances.... | ||
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
On November 29 2011 23:05 spinesheath wrote: @ The people crying about the Jarvan "nerf": You realize that it only hurts his earlygame damage a bit, and increases his lategame damage by much more (-2% of 500HP vs +2% of 2000HP)? You also realize that changing the proc to physical increases the damage by quite a bunch? Hurts his laning and buffs his late-game, but winning real early if the only way Jarman can win lanes against sustain laners, so it's actually a big deal. | ||
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:15 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: You know whats stupid? Purple top lane gets a free heal because of the golems. Oh my jungler is off doing X and he wont be up here till respawn happens, guess I'll just take this HP rune from big golem ez pz. zzzz. Lane imbalances.... Not many champions that didn't already heal off golems will heal off it now- it's like +25 or so, the equivalent of a single autoattack with Irelia. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:13 Craton wrote: If you don't get a kill, you fall behind in exp/gold. To who though? The lane you ganked? Both miss out on exp/gold. The other jungle? They are probably going to have to gank at some point as well. The other lanes? Gank them. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:16 Lancer723 wrote: Hurts his laning and buffs his late-game, but winning real early if the only way Jarman can win lanes against sustain laners, so it's actually a big deal. honestly, he'll probably do comparable damage in most matchups because it's now physical damage. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:13 Craton wrote: If you don't get a kill, you fall behind in exp/gold. I understand but that was the case before too... respawn rate was longer though. Does it just give more incentive to go back into jungle instead of wait for the gank or pressuring a lane? I remember MoonBear talking about game design where they like to design choice into the game so its not always best 100% of the time to do a certain thing. i.e. before when your jungle was clear you could counter a slower jungler or gank a lane or do nothing. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
Previously junglers had periods where everything in the jungle was dead and there really was no choice but to gank. This makes "baiting" ganks a bit more rewarding, if you waste the junglers time you actually accomplish something. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:17 mordek wrote: I understand but that was the case before too... respawn rate was longer though. Does it just give more incentive to go back into jungle instead of wait for the gank or pressuring a lane? I remember MoonBear talking about game design where they like to design choice into the game so its not always best 100% of the time to do a certain thing. i.e. before when your jungle was clear you could counter a slower jungler or gank a lane or do nothing. If they want to make tradeoffs, then they should smooth out the average outcome so that on average you're as well off as you were before. As it stands, you have to choose between farming and ganking, but if you choose to only farm, you still only get about as much as you got before if you cleared, and then had free time to gank. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:12 Bwaaaa wrote: First thing I noticed too. It's not even in alpha -order. ARAGH. today I played my first two games of Dominion ever, by accident | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:03 unichan wrote: damn this sounds 69x better than the no jungle idea or even better, run a mid lane and 4 junglers and everyone just runs in and out of the jungle into lanes, ganking when they feel like it, farming/laning when they feel like it, sounds so glorious! You could always do this. We took three towers at ten minutes doing this one time. It mostly just relies on how retarded the other team is. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
edit: in a reasonable time | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:37 Unentschieden wrote: It puts the decision process a bit closer to what laners have. Anything BUT farming MIGHT be more beneficial but has the opportunity cost of the minions you miss. Previously junglers had periods where everything in the jungle was dead and there really was no choice but to gank. This makes "baiting" ganks a bit more rewarding, if you waste the junglers time you actually accomplish something. The choice at that point wasn't ever "gank or do nothing". You could also counter-jungle, back to buy items, cover a lane for someone else who needed to back or put yourself in a position to counter-gank. The whole "gank vs nothing, there's no real choice" spiel is a false dichotomy. | ||
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
On November 30 2011 07:39 starfries wrote: today I played my first two games of Dominion ever, by accident I laughed. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Saint:"Thought they scale into late game" OddOne:"Yea,golems have 2k+ hp,at 20 minutes. Saint:"Raid boss golems" | ||
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