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Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
December 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#2941
On December 08 2011 06:17 Niton wrote:
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On December 08 2011 06:15 JackDino wrote:
I could've never imagined that 12k people would like to watch the rainman lol.


Any port in a storm, my friend.


I'm catching up on the day's posts so I apologize for quoting back from 2 pages ago, but Christ this is hilarious. Well said, Niton.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
December 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#2942
Since when is tryn op :S
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 07 2011 23:45 GMT
#2943
On December 08 2011 08:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Since when is tryn op :S

Since his remake.
currently rooting for myself.
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
December 07 2011 23:50 GMT
#2944
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
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On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.

Please let it be Veigar <3
Power-tripping mod for Trump's stream
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 07 2011 23:59 GMT
#2945
They've already said Veigar is getting usability buffs (aka will soon be the next FOTM)
twitch.tv/cratonz
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
December 08 2011 00:06 GMT
#2946
On December 08 2011 08:25 Niton wrote:
Okay, while we're on the subjects of buffs and nerfs, here's something I typed up about Taric earlier:

Show nested quote +

Before his 'fixes', Taric's ult was a fairly narrow but absolutely incredible strategy-altering self buff which gave 150-250 Hp5 with a 1:1 ratio.

Now? Well, to give you some comparison, let's compare it to Sona's Q:

Hymn of Valor: 50/100/150/200/250 (+.7) Damage, 8/11/14/17/20 AD/AP, 7 second CD, 65 mana, 700 radius.

Radiance: 150/250/350 (+.7) Damage, 30(15)/50(25)/70(35) AD/AP, 60 second CD, 100 mana, 400 damage radius, 700 aura radius.

The bolded numbers are what your level 6 damage potential looks like. Sona's Q gives her 16 less and her allies 1 less AD/AP, does the same damage, has a cooldown 1/8th the time of Taric's ult, and has no duration on its aura. Taric's ult is almost straight up worse than Sona's Q at the kind of small skirmishes that he's best at, and Sona gets a nice AoE stun in her ult slot.

When you add in the fact that his rank 1 heal (60 for both OR 84 to self, 80 mana, 20 sec CD reduced by hitting things) is worse than all of the following heals:

- Sona's (40 healing for both, 7 sec CD, 60 mana)
- Alistar's (60 for self / 30 for ally, 12 sec CD, 2+ times a wave from passive, 20 Mana)
- Soraka's (70/140/210 for target / 20 sec CD, 25/50/75 Armor / 5 sec, 90/110/130 Mana, usually levelled first)

I really don't know why you'd pick Taric unless you were either terrible at Alistar or really, really, really needed a single target stun. His current kit suggests that he belongs in a solo lane, but his sustain is so weak and mana costs are so high that he's worse there than Soraka and Janna as well. Janna's shield is also amazing, but that's apples and oranges and she's a way better CCbot than Taric could ever hope to be.

I really loved playing him, and by the time his ult was removed I was a master at creating better pushes by abusing its healing to its fullest. Now? He's just bad. He's a jack of all trades in a game that demands role specialization, and he really can't stand up to the role power of Sona, Soraka, Alistar or Janna. If Taric at least got numbers good enough to go to a solo lane and have a decent shot at being useful endgame, that'd be something. Right now? He's got nothing, and he owes a lot of that nothing to the Radiance changes, though his Q being so weak really doesn't help.

tl;dr: Taric is okay. The problem is, he's an okay champion sharing a role with 4 incredibly powerful and diverse champions. And that's not okay. With a passive and Q secondary that are anti-synergistic with the idea of 'being a support' past laning phase, he has a very hard time doing anything better than any of the others.


Really true. (Just realized it myself)
Although I have been thinking "why should I pick Taric over Ali/Janna?" recently
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 08 2011 00:07 GMT
#2947
Riven vs Nasus top, thoughts? I guess Riven should be able to bully him if she starts cloth+5 into wriggles, thanks to her manaless status + her stun. Can she just jump him with the shield, stun, and hit him some every time he tries to Q a minion?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
December 08 2011 00:07 GMT
#2948
On December 08 2011 06:58 sylverfyre wrote:
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On December 08 2011 06:52 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
@sylverfyre
So in the most ideal situation for ad marks+quints you're only doing one or two damage more than arpen which is less than one percent of a damage increase? Yes, that gap widens slightly when you factor in crit and things, but if you don't realize how tiny a window that you're making for them being better I have no idea how I'd convince you.

Well, the reason I'm going to open with AD marks isn't that my late game damage is better (otherwise I'd be picking scaling AD marks)

It's that my early game CSing ability is better. If it impacts CHAOX AND DOUBLELIFT's ability to CS enough that they'll pick them, and they're way the fuck better about not missing CS than I will ever be, then you can bet it makes my CS score increase significantly.
The late-game aspect is just that post-LW it ends up evening out, so it didn't matter which one you pick early game. AD marks/quints is focusing more on econ and planning to play more passively, Armor pen (marks or both marks+quints) is focusing more on aggression and harass.

Only time I'd go arpen quints on a carry is if sona/taric is on the other team. Those armor buffs will cause the 31 armor pen to not bottom out.


Well I can't remember exactly but I know in a tournament not too long ago CandyPanda was using -

ASHE: 2x movement speed quints, 1x armor pen quint, armor pen reds, armor yellows, mana regen per lv blues

VAYNE/CAIT: dmg quints, armor pen reds, dmg yellows, atk speed blues

TRISTANA: dmg quints, dmg reds, dmg yellows, magic resist blues

EZREAL: dmg quints, armor pen reds, armor yellows, mana regen per lv blues

CORKI: dmg quints, dmg reds, armor yellows, mana regen per lv blues

URGOT: dmg quints, armor pen reds, armor yellows, cooldown reduction blues

Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 08 2011 00:14 GMT
#2949
Anybody watching Live on Three? What is this team they're talking about ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 08 2011 00:15 GMT
#2950
On December 08 2011 09:07 Alaric wrote:
Riven vs Nasus top, thoughts? I guess Riven should be able to bully him if she starts cloth+5 into wriggles, thanks to her manaless status + her stun. Can she just jump him with the shield, stun, and hit him some every time he tries to Q a minion?

there was a good riven v. nasus discussion in teh riven thread. you should check it out. i think it was second to last page or smth
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 08 2011 00:25 GMT
#2951
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271964&currentpage=136#2714

Sounds like Guangzhou
twitch.tv/cratonz
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
December 08 2011 00:29 GMT
#2952
Veigarrrrrr woooo.
TranslatorBaa!
Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
December 08 2011 00:36 GMT
#2953
On December 08 2011 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
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On December 08 2011 08:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Since when is tryn op :S

Since his remake.


Wasnt that like 3 months ago?

I don't see him as much of a problem.
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
December 08 2011 00:39 GMT
#2954
On December 08 2011 09:36 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On December 08 2011 08:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Since when is tryn op :S

Since his remake.


Wasnt that like 3 months ago?

I don't see him as much of a problem.


Just played a game as Trynd against a Skarner and a Swain. My butthole hurt after that raping.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 00:52:29
December 08 2011 00:51 GMT
#2955
On December 08 2011 09:36 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On December 08 2011 08:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Since when is tryn op :S

Since his remake.


Wasnt that like 3 months ago?

I don't see him as much of a problem.

he's a problem because they kept his mad lategame damage, but gave him free sustain in the form of a massive buff to his Q. Tryn grabs wriggles and is as unmovable from lane as Irelia and scales harder. Tryn wasn't op before remake cause he was easy to bully out of lane. Now it's near impossible.

Not to mention a free 35% crit chance means he can just build up fury, walk up to you, and get crits for an easy lane win every 3rd hit.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 08 2011 00:55 GMT
#2956
and then you run into Swain or Ryze and cry about how badly you get owned.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
December 08 2011 01:01 GMT
#2957
Just went against the Bear as the Pirate, and totally crapped on him. Q's all day. Procced his passive then just went balls to the wall aggressive. Came out of lane 4-0-1. Finished 14-2-11.

Pirate is so much fun.
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 01:06:11
December 08 2011 01:05 GMT
#2958
On December 08 2011 09:51 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 09:36 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
On December 08 2011 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On December 08 2011 08:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Since when is tryn op :S

Since his remake.


Wasnt that like 3 months ago?

I don't see him as much of a problem.

he's a problem because they kept his mad lategame damage, but gave him free sustain in the form of a massive buff to his Q. Tryn grabs wriggles and is as unmovable from lane as Irelia and scales harder. Tryn wasn't op before remake cause he was easy to bully out of lane. Now it's near impossible.

Not to mention a free 35% crit chance means he can just build up fury, walk up to you, and get crits for an easy lane win every 3rd hit.


Actually Tryndamere's late game damage has been nerfed pretty hard. He used to have 50% crit chance at 1 hp with 32 bonus AD and 36% crit damage. Now at 1 hp he has 35% crit chance with 60 bonus AD.

Don't get me wrong, I am fairly sure Tryndamere is a bit too strong right now. But Riot definitely nerfed his late game damage.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 08 2011 01:24 GMT
#2959
On December 08 2011 10:05 warscythes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 09:51 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 08 2011 09:36 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
On December 08 2011 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On December 08 2011 08:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Since when is tryn op :S

Since his remake.


Wasnt that like 3 months ago?

I don't see him as much of a problem.

he's a problem because they kept his mad lategame damage, but gave him free sustain in the form of a massive buff to his Q. Tryn grabs wriggles and is as unmovable from lane as Irelia and scales harder. Tryn wasn't op before remake cause he was easy to bully out of lane. Now it's near impossible.

Not to mention a free 35% crit chance means he can just build up fury, walk up to you, and get crits for an easy lane win every 3rd hit.


Actually Tryndamere's late game damage has been nerfed pretty hard. He used to have 50% crit chance at 1 hp with 32 bonus AD and 36% crit damage. Now at 1 hp he has 35% crit chance with 60 bonus AD.

Don't get me wrong, I am fairly sure Tryndamere is a bit too strong right now. But Riot definitely nerfed his late game damage.


Tryndamere is stronger now because pre-remake he was slightly ahead of Poppy in terms of laning strength. His damage cap was higher, but reaching it took forever unless your opponent just let you farm. He's much more consistent now and can even beat most top laners because of his sustain, damage, and rage-inducing ult.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 08 2011 01:24 GMT
#2960
On December 08 2011 08:11 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 08:02 Parnage wrote:
Rumble buffs! Callin it.

Everyone else gets to guess at stuff why can't I?


Rumble doesn't need buffs. He's still crazy strong he just went out of style among the pro players.

I would like to see those Trynd nerfs to be honest. Along with some Fizz nerfs.


I agree but I like rumble, despite the fact I never get to play him as much as I'd like so hey why not some rumble buffs sense we are kind of guessing why not?

I like Taric. I don't think he's the greatest but I think he does his job well and honestly I rather like his ult, it gives me the dmg buff I need for when one needs to get the damages done. I guess it doesn't look like much but neither does aegis but everyone knows aegis is good. I wouldnt' say he's worse then the bull or better. He just fits a different roll.

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