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On December 08 2011 08:25 Niton wrote:Okay, while we're on the subjects of buffs and nerfs, here's something I typed up about Taric earlier: Show nested quote +
Before his 'fixes', Taric's ult was a fairly narrow but absolutely incredible strategy-altering self buff which gave 150-250 Hp5 with a 1:1 ratio.
Now? Well, to give you some comparison, let's compare it to Sona's Q:
Hymn of Valor: 50/100/150/200/250 (+.7) Damage, 8/11/14/17/20 AD/AP, 7 second CD, 65 mana, 700 radius.
Radiance: 150/250/350 (+.7) Damage, 30(15)/50(25)/70(35) AD/AP, 60 second CD, 100 mana, 400 damage radius, 700 aura radius.
The bolded numbers are what your level 6 damage potential looks like. Sona's Q gives her 16 less and her allies 1 less AD/AP, does the same damage, has a cooldown 1/8th the time of Taric's ult, and has no duration on its aura. Taric's ult is almost straight up worse than Sona's Q at the kind of small skirmishes that he's best at, and Sona gets a nice AoE stun in her ult slot.
When you add in the fact that his rank 1 heal (60 for both OR 84 to self, 80 mana, 20 sec CD reduced by hitting things) is worse than all of the following heals:
- Sona's (40 healing for both, 7 sec CD, 60 mana)
- Alistar's (60 for self / 30 for ally, 12 sec CD, 2+ times a wave from passive, 20 Mana)
- Soraka's (70/140/210 for target / 20 sec CD, 25/50/75 Armor / 5 sec, 90/110/130 Mana, usually levelled first)
I really don't know why you'd pick Taric unless you were either terrible at Alistar or really, really, really needed a single target stun. His current kit suggests that he belongs in a solo lane, but his sustain is so weak and mana costs are so high that he's worse there than Soraka and Janna as well. Janna's shield is also amazing, but that's apples and oranges and she's a way better CCbot than Taric could ever hope to be.
I really loved playing him, and by the time his ult was removed I was a master at creating better pushes by abusing its healing to its fullest. Now? He's just bad. He's a jack of all trades in a game that demands role specialization, and he really can't stand up to the role power of Sona, Soraka, Alistar or Janna. If Taric at least got numbers good enough to go to a solo lane and have a decent shot at being useful endgame, that'd be something. Right now? He's got nothing, and he owes a lot of that nothing to the Radiance changes, though his Q being so weak really doesn't help.
tl;dr: Taric is okay. The problem is, he's an okay champion sharing a role with 4 incredibly powerful and diverse champions. And that's not okay. With a passive and Q secondary that are anti-synergistic with the idea of 'being a support' past laning phase, he has a very hard time doing anything better than any of the others.
I find it interesting that not only is Taric's level 1 Ult not significantly more compelling than sona's Q at that level, but at level 11, Sona's level 5 Q is equal damage and only 5 less AD/AP than Taric's level 2 ulti.
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On December 08 2011 13:47 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 12:04 Kenpachi wrote:Counter Logic Gaming (Canada):
Roster: HotshotGG, TheOddOne, Chaox, Elementz, bigfatlp
A collaboration of the Canadian players from powerhouse North American teams Counter Logic Gaming and Team SoloMid, including MVP of MLG Providence, TheOddOne. This Canadian team features some of the cooler heads from both teams, and have shown a lot of promise in practice. quite contradictory No SV, Reginald, Chauster or TRM... 1 hothead out of 5 people (who, I'll grant, have varying hotheadedness among them) - I don't really think that's contradictory. Oddone is kinda... not really all that hotheaded in team games. Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 12:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 08 2011 11:51 Alaric wrote:
I still think Swain can > Pantheon. But I should try him, especially after being inspired by that Mantheon pick-up who would 1v4 the enemy by ulting into them just to save one of us being chased (and somehow getting a triple in exchange for his death when I turned back to Morg-W where he just landed and they jumped him, such a manly sacrifice). He still farmed a lot and got a positive score, but seeing that green circle yelling "You shall not pass" whenever they'd chase us made my game. Iunno...i've never lost to a swain as pantheon. Swain gets dicked on until he gets all his spells and even then if panth opens boots+3 he can dodge nevermove quite easily. On December 08 2011 12:01 Takkara wrote:On December 08 2011 11:33 Haemonculus wrote:
I think bear has potential to be seriously overpowered. Surge + Ult is crazy damage and since all you near is warmogs you're very durable. Speed boost fling is crazy and your W hits for retarded damage in lane. Strong like bear. Well since I think Moon just mentioned nerfs to bear and warmogs... his days are numbered... :/ you don't really need atmas on bear to do terrible terrible damage. i just go warmogs to buff his W then get wit's end for ulti synergy and then tank out. your W and R are crazy damage steroids by themselves. no need for atmas imo Swain's 1, 3, 5 aren't as strong as his 2, 4, 6. Pantheon abuses the shit out of levels 1 3 5. Also, he doesn't need to eat a laserbird to mess with swain, unlike most melee. At some point on bear you MIGHT AS WELL get an atmas, but you definitely don't need to rush it right after warmogs. Warmogs on bear has enough damage without the atmas. I like the wits end idea (especially since bear is already a mixed damage champ. You could probably even benefit enough off of a void staff to bother buying it if a game goes into people having 150-200 MR.)
Yea, panth has enough dps that he can outtrade a laserbird if he has to eat one anyways
I do get atmas eventually on bear, but I dont grab it until very late. I go warmogs, wit's end, then grab a big armor/mres item depending on their team, usually FoN or FH, then atmas last 'cause other than the hp->AD conversion the stats on atmas aren't spectacular.
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On December 08 2011 11:46 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 10:53 Two_DoWn wrote:
I still have no fucking clue what actually beats rumble top. Neo tells me that he loses to yorick, which in my head makes the holy trinity of damn near unbeatable top lanes look something like
Rumble->trynd->yorick->rumble
With Udyr the untouchable above them, and that fucking twerp teemo above him.
Of course, I suck at top lane, so I could be completely wrong with that list. Smash says Panth > all, top lane. Time for me to practice a new champ.
urgot says hi
the mu might have changed tho, since i havn't snacked on panths for abt 6 months now
edit: that and no1 runs urgot solo anymore
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On December 08 2011 14:06 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 08:25 Niton wrote:Okay, while we're on the subjects of buffs and nerfs, here's something I typed up about Taric earlier:
Before his 'fixes', Taric's ult was a fairly narrow but absolutely incredible strategy-altering self buff which gave 150-250 Hp5 with a 1:1 ratio.
Now? Well, to give you some comparison, let's compare it to Sona's Q:
Hymn of Valor: 50/100/150/200/250 (+.7) Damage, 8/11/14/17/20 AD/AP, 7 second CD, 65 mana, 700 radius.
Radiance: 150/250/350 (+.7) Damage, 30(15)/50(25)/70(35) AD/AP, 60 second CD, 100 mana, 400 damage radius, 700 aura radius.
The bolded numbers are what your level 6 damage potential looks like. Sona's Q gives her 16 less and her allies 1 less AD/AP, does the same damage, has a cooldown 1/8th the time of Taric's ult, and has no duration on its aura. Taric's ult is almost straight up worse than Sona's Q at the kind of small skirmishes that he's best at, and Sona gets a nice AoE stun in her ult slot.
When you add in the fact that his rank 1 heal (60 for both OR 84 to self, 80 mana, 20 sec CD reduced by hitting things) is worse than all of the following heals:
- Sona's (40 healing for both, 7 sec CD, 60 mana)
- Alistar's (60 for self / 30 for ally, 12 sec CD, 2+ times a wave from passive, 20 Mana)
- Soraka's (70/140/210 for target / 20 sec CD, 25/50/75 Armor / 5 sec, 90/110/130 Mana, usually levelled first)
I really don't know why you'd pick Taric unless you were either terrible at Alistar or really, really, really needed a single target stun. His current kit suggests that he belongs in a solo lane, but his sustain is so weak and mana costs are so high that he's worse there than Soraka and Janna as well. Janna's shield is also amazing, but that's apples and oranges and she's a way better CCbot than Taric could ever hope to be.
I really loved playing him, and by the time his ult was removed I was a master at creating better pushes by abusing its healing to its fullest. Now? He's just bad. He's a jack of all trades in a game that demands role specialization, and he really can't stand up to the role power of Sona, Soraka, Alistar or Janna. If Taric at least got numbers good enough to go to a solo lane and have a decent shot at being useful endgame, that'd be something. Right now? He's got nothing, and he owes a lot of that nothing to the Radiance changes, though his Q being so weak really doesn't help.
tl;dr: Taric is okay. The problem is, he's an okay champion sharing a role with 4 incredibly powerful and diverse champions. And that's not okay. With a passive and Q secondary that are anti-synergistic with the idea of 'being a support' past laning phase, he has a very hard time doing anything better than any of the others.
I find it interesting that not only is Taric's level 1 Ult not significantly more compelling than sona's Q at that level, but at level 11, Sona's level 5 Q is equal damage and only 5 less AD/AP than Taric's level 2 ulti.
I didn't even notice that. That's... wow, lol. As a further bonus, if you're following normal maxing patterns (Q>W>E on Sona, W>Q>E on Taric), at level 11 Taric will heal for 140 (+.6) every 18 seconds while providing 30 armor (60 to self), while Sona will heal for 80 (+.25) every 7 seconds while providing an extra 11 Armor and MR, boosted to 25 on herself and the priority target during each activation.
So:
Taric: 7.77 HPS (increased by melee attacking), 60 Defensive stats to self, 30 to allies, 8 total stat points spent
Sona: 11.42 HPS, 22 Defensive stats to self and allies, 50 Defensive stats to self and ally during active, 3 total stat points spent
Why did I waste time maining Taric ;_;
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So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0yGEB.png)
Farming, a very useful skill toi have
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On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result. Farming, a very useful skill toi have
ditch the frozen mallet/atmas next time imoimo
if you want survivability grab GA, Banshees, and/or QSS
but yea, playing range AD for vast majority of elo levels is 50% farm, 45% positioning, 5% right click
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On December 08 2011 14:21 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:06 sylverfyre wrote:On December 08 2011 08:25 Niton wrote:Okay, while we're on the subjects of buffs and nerfs, here's something I typed up about Taric earlier:
Before his 'fixes', Taric's ult was a fairly narrow but absolutely incredible strategy-altering self buff which gave 150-250 Hp5 with a 1:1 ratio.
Now? Well, to give you some comparison, let's compare it to Sona's Q:
Hymn of Valor: 50/100/150/200/250 (+.7) Damage, 8/11/14/17/20 AD/AP, 7 second CD, 65 mana, 700 radius.
Radiance: 150/250/350 (+.7) Damage, 30(15)/50(25)/70(35) AD/AP, 60 second CD, 100 mana, 400 damage radius, 700 aura radius.
The bolded numbers are what your level 6 damage potential looks like. Sona's Q gives her 16 less and her allies 1 less AD/AP, does the same damage, has a cooldown 1/8th the time of Taric's ult, and has no duration on its aura. Taric's ult is almost straight up worse than Sona's Q at the kind of small skirmishes that he's best at, and Sona gets a nice AoE stun in her ult slot.
When you add in the fact that his rank 1 heal (60 for both OR 84 to self, 80 mana, 20 sec CD reduced by hitting things) is worse than all of the following heals:
- Sona's (40 healing for both, 7 sec CD, 60 mana)
- Alistar's (60 for self / 30 for ally, 12 sec CD, 2+ times a wave from passive, 20 Mana)
- Soraka's (70/140/210 for target / 20 sec CD, 25/50/75 Armor / 5 sec, 90/110/130 Mana, usually levelled first)
I really don't know why you'd pick Taric unless you were either terrible at Alistar or really, really, really needed a single target stun. His current kit suggests that he belongs in a solo lane, but his sustain is so weak and mana costs are so high that he's worse there than Soraka and Janna as well. Janna's shield is also amazing, but that's apples and oranges and she's a way better CCbot than Taric could ever hope to be.
I really loved playing him, and by the time his ult was removed I was a master at creating better pushes by abusing its healing to its fullest. Now? He's just bad. He's a jack of all trades in a game that demands role specialization, and he really can't stand up to the role power of Sona, Soraka, Alistar or Janna. If Taric at least got numbers good enough to go to a solo lane and have a decent shot at being useful endgame, that'd be something. Right now? He's got nothing, and he owes a lot of that nothing to the Radiance changes, though his Q being so weak really doesn't help.
tl;dr: Taric is okay. The problem is, he's an okay champion sharing a role with 4 incredibly powerful and diverse champions. And that's not okay. With a passive and Q secondary that are anti-synergistic with the idea of 'being a support' past laning phase, he has a very hard time doing anything better than any of the others.
I find it interesting that not only is Taric's level 1 Ult not significantly more compelling than sona's Q at that level, but at level 11, Sona's level 5 Q is equal damage and only 5 less AD/AP than Taric's level 2 ulti. I didn't even notice that. That's... wow, lol. As a further bonus, if you're following normal maxing patterns (Q>W>E on Sona, W>Q>E on Taric), at level 11 Taric will heal for 140 (+.6) every 18 seconds while providing 30 armor (60 to self), while Sona will heal for 80 (+.25) every 7 seconds while providing an extra 11 Armor and MR, boosted to 25 on herself and the priority target during each activation. So: Taric: 7.77 HPS (increased by melee attacking), 60 Defensive stats to self, 30 to allies, 8 total stat points spent Sona: 11.42 HPS, 22 Defensive stats to self and allies, 50 Defensive stats to self and ally during active, 3 total stat points spentWhy did I waste time maining Taric ;_;
because he has a point and click stun, a 30 armor reduction active, and still has one of the highest bursts dmgs of all of the supports. Dunno where u guys get off saying he's complete shit, he's just a little on the weaker side atm.
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On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have
Two things:
- Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't
- Your Fizz is 13/3/7.
On December 08 2011 14:27 barbsq wrote:
because he has a point and click stun, a 30 armor reduction active, and still has one of the highest bursts dmgs of all of the supports. Dunno where u guys get off saying he's complete shit, he's just a little on the weaker side atm.
Yeah, and Sona has a spammable speed boost, a very strong AoE stun, and the ability to chain snare a target during a chase. It's not that Taric doesn't have strong points - it's that they're not only fewer and far between, but they also don't do nearly enough to make up for his deficiencies.
In teamfighting, what does Taric do the best of every support? He's a good laner, but he's far from the only champion that's a good laner, and other supports (Soraka excluded) aren't exactly bad laners in their own right.
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On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7.
how is the soraka terrible?
granted it's not the build i would use, but tank-raka does work to some degree, it's fine assuming she was able to keep up wards (which she may well have, given nearly 60 cs and 2 gp5 for a 52 min game)
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On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7.
I can't really tell if Skarner or Soraka's builds are bad, as I don't play either of them
I noticed Fizz though.
I also noticed how even though he had a ton of kills, I was nearly even on gold because of farming.
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On December 08 2011 14:30 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7. how is the soraka terrible? granted it's not the build i would use, but tank-raka does work to some degree, it's fine assuming she was able to keep up wards (which she may well have, given nearly 60 cs and 2 gp5 for a 52 min game)
Ward placement's about 1 ward every 2 minutes, assuming that she had 0 unspent gold and that she never bought an Oracles' or sold an item. Personally, I feel like defensive items over finishing CDR cap is a mistake, but it was hyperbole 
Anyways, see above - what does Taric do best? Why would I want him on my team once laning was over if I had the choice of any support? Right now, the only thing I can think of is that he's the best at stunning exactly one short-range target.
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On December 08 2011 14:34 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:30 barbsq wrote:On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7. how is the soraka terrible? granted it's not the build i would use, but tank-raka does work to some degree, it's fine assuming she was able to keep up wards (which she may well have, given nearly 60 cs and 2 gp5 for a 52 min game) Ward placement's about 1 ward every 2 minutes, assuming that she had 0 unspent gold and that she never bought an Oracles' or sold an item. Personally, I feel like defensive items over finishing CDR cap is a mistake, but it was hyperbole Anyways, see above - what does Taric do best? Why would I want him on my team once laning was over if I had the choice of any support? Right now, the only thing I can think of is that he's the best at stunning exactly one short-range target.
nothing, actually i think i kinda overreacted. In my head, the whole last page was about how taric was the most useless thing in the game, when he clearly isn't, but no1 was saying that at all, lol. I def do agree he's the weakest support atm, but he certainly is usable.
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On December 08 2011 14:30 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7. how is the soraka terrible? granted it's not the build i would use, but tank-raka does work to some degree, it's fine assuming she was able to keep up wards (which she may well have, given nearly 60 cs and 2 gp5 for a 52 min game)
Her items cost ~9.1k. Leaves ~1.9k for wards (~25) at most. At the cleanup phase (taking down nexus towers etc.) you typically accumulate a bit of gold, so it's probably fewer than that, say about 20.
Not ideal by any means, but she wasn't necessarily awful.
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On December 08 2011 14:49 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:34 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:30 barbsq wrote:On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7. how is the soraka terrible? granted it's not the build i would use, but tank-raka does work to some degree, it's fine assuming she was able to keep up wards (which she may well have, given nearly 60 cs and 2 gp5 for a 52 min game) Ward placement's about 1 ward every 2 minutes, assuming that she had 0 unspent gold and that she never bought an Oracles' or sold an item. Personally, I feel like defensive items over finishing CDR cap is a mistake, but it was hyperbole Anyways, see above - what does Taric do best? Why would I want him on my team once laning was over if I had the choice of any support? Right now, the only thing I can think of is that he's the best at stunning exactly one short-range target. nothing, actually i think i kinda overreacted. In my head, the whole last page was about how taric was the most useless thing in the game, when he clearly isn't, but no1 was saying that at all, lol. I def do agree he's the weakest support atm, but he certainly is usable.
personally, i believe he provides a really strong early game, is easy to play, is tanky and has auras while also having sustain. everything in his kit works for lane phase in support/carry lanes. armor, damage, heal, cc.
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Yeah, taric isn't bad, but I feel like his burst has too long of a CD, his ability to heal is both low power and poor mana efficiency, his auras (supposed to be "HIS THING") are comparable to Sona's except that Sona's offensive aura isn't on a 60s CD, and his CC falls short of Alistar's in usefulness. Basically, for any specific thing you want in a support, Taric is just not the best support. Thus the comment about him trying to be a jack of all trades in a game of specialties
I guess burst damage could be his thing, but even his stun-ult-W he's only just barely edging out against sona throwing out RQ+passive because of the -30 armor debuff. And sona brings more to teamfight scenarios, and more utility in general (ability to slow on short CD if she chooses to PC that, aoe movespeed, better healing, better poke.)
I really like taric, I think the ulti rework was an interesting idea that didn't really work out for him.
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On December 08 2011 15:04 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:49 barbsq wrote:On December 08 2011 14:34 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:30 barbsq wrote:On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7. how is the soraka terrible? granted it's not the build i would use, but tank-raka does work to some degree, it's fine assuming she was able to keep up wards (which she may well have, given nearly 60 cs and 2 gp5 for a 52 min game) Ward placement's about 1 ward every 2 minutes, assuming that she had 0 unspent gold and that she never bought an Oracles' or sold an item. Personally, I feel like defensive items over finishing CDR cap is a mistake, but it was hyperbole Anyways, see above - what does Taric do best? Why would I want him on my team once laning was over if I had the choice of any support? Right now, the only thing I can think of is that he's the best at stunning exactly one short-range target. nothing, actually i think i kinda overreacted. In my head, the whole last page was about how taric was the most useless thing in the game, when he clearly isn't, but no1 was saying that at all, lol. I def do agree he's the weakest support atm, but he certainly is usable. personally, i believe he provides a really strong early game, is easy to play, is tanky and has auras while also having sustain. everything in his kit works for lane phase in support/carry lanes. armor, damage, heal, cc.
This is why we're specifically talking about outside of lane phase. Sona, Alistar and Janna are all exceptionally good laners, and Soraka isn't really far behind. Being a good laner as your strength when the core 5 supports are 5 of the best duo laners in the game PERIOD really doesn't mean anything special.
@bear - yeah, he's a solidly okay champion. If this was any other role, there'd be no problem with him being merely okay. He needs some way to actually stand out and say "yes, I am better than other supports at <x>". With old Radiance, he had that, but now he doesn't.
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Ugh, just lost a 70 minute game where we won practically every teamfight, often 4-5 kills to 1 or 0. Final score was 43-24.
What happened was I DCed at like the 30 minute mark, they got a free baron and then pushed and got all inhibs, and we just never recovered. We were constantly pinned in our base, and even if it weren't for the waves of super minions, their Nasus and Teemo were both running teleport so leaving the base was a big risk. We aced them a few times but could never really get a killer push going.
How should you deal with a situation like that? Is there any particular tactic for when you're completely pinned in the base and the enemy is trying to split push down your inhibitors, etc.
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Turtle until inhibs all up, make sure all lanes are pushing out, if you ace them just backdoor a lane instead of waiting for minions if it would take too long for them to get there, ward your jungle entrances to deal with any kind of backdooring during a push, etc.
I would bet your team screwed around waiting for minions too much after winning fights.
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On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result. Farming, a very useful skill toi have
Apart from ditching FM/atmas (which you should do) you need to also ditch the cloak and dagger. If you know you are going to want cc reduction, swap out exhaust for cleanse, and if you STILL need something, grab a qss as your survival item. You essentially waste an item slot on an unnecessary item because of bad summoner choice.
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On December 08 2011 14:31 57 Corvette wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:27 Niton wrote:On December 08 2011 14:22 57 Corvette wrote:
So, yeah. Figured out why I sucked as Ranged AD so badly. Turns out I just wasn't farming enough. I tried just straight farming intil 35ish mins, this is the result.
Farming, a very useful skill toi have Two things: - Your 3/1/10 Skarner with a weird and awful build is apologizing but your terrible Soraka isn't - Your Fizz is 13/3/7. I can't really tell if Skarner or Soraka's builds are bad, as I don't play either of them I noticed Fizz though. I also noticed how even though he had a ton of kills, I was nearly even on gold because of farming.
And you used said gold on terrible items like f.mallet, atmas and cloak 'n dagger. Pretty sure that farming wouldn't have been as great with those items if your fizz wasn't hella fed. If you buy different items it'll be kay though.
The skarner build is fine apart from the manamune, funfire still ok if you want health/armour right away.
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