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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 07 2011 22:28 GMT
#2921
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, a look at the Atmogs interaction, Volibear nurfguns, and some more love for our favourite global ult champion. Loci, if you're reading this, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. I also heard Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.


Basically because:

- WTF this champ is OP, nerf this shit
*Plays 2 games as Trynd/Riven, no idea how to play*
- WTF this champion sucks, never playing them again
*Repeat in a week*
It's your boy Guzma!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 07 2011 22:33 GMT
#2922
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.


Loci's favorite AP champion is Morgana right o.o DONT FUCKING TOUCH HER YOU BASTARDS
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 07 2011 22:39 GMT
#2923
On December 08 2011 07:33 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.


Loci's favorite AP champion is Morgana right o.o DONT FUCKING TOUCH HER YOU BASTARDS

Not sure if he's considered AP, but as far as I am aware, his favourite AP was Ryze. Don't you DARE TOUCHING RYZE!
currently rooting for myself.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 07 2011 22:40 GMT
#2924
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.


There isn't much depth between the atmog's interaction, atma's increases your attack damage based on your health, warmogs increases your health. Interaction over. :D

Besides, Warmog's Armor is only useful largely because of Atma's Impaler existing. Otherwise there are better items for increasing your survivability.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 07 2011 22:41 GMT
#2925
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.

is our favourite global ult champion Pantheon ^_^
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 07 2011 22:42 GMT
#2926
On December 08 2011 07:41 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.

is our favourite global ult champion Pantheon ^_^


I thought it was twisted fate.

Perhaps Teemo for that global taunt of his though
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 07 2011 22:45 GMT
#2927
My guess is the global ult champion is Shen - I think I remember someone posting that Guinsoo tweeted about upcoming buffs for his 'favorite tank' - Shen was one of his designs.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 07 2011 22:49 GMT
#2928
that makes more sense, since I would have expected a Loci comment if it was Pantheon. oh well.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 07 2011 22:52 GMT
#2929
I thought Loci's secret loves were Veigar and Lux, but he doesn't play either often because they're not very good.

Both have dev comments saying they're getting usability changes, too~
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 22:53:08
December 07 2011 22:52 GMT
#2930
On December 08 2011 07:33 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:
On December 08 2011 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
So unfortunately jungle morde is not viable post patch atm.

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.


Loci's favorite AP champion is Morgana right o.o DONT FUCKING TOUCH HER YOU BASTARDS

Pretty sure it's Morgana, isn't that the password to his dropbox or something?
oooo could be veigar. loved the veigar challenge!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 07 2011 23:00 GMT
#2931
Im assuming viegar. And hopefully Moon means pantheon, cuz im pretty sure the global ult hero of the TL forums is pantheon.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 07 2011 23:01 GMT
#2932
It's obviously Ezreal.

Yes, buff Ezreal, you know you want to. I must kill everything in the face harder than I already do.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 07 2011 23:01 GMT
#2933
On December 08 2011 08:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im assuming viegar. And hopefully Moon means pantheon, cuz im pretty sure the global ult hero of the TL forums is pantheon.

Well technically Panth's ult isn't global anymore so I'm gonna hedge my bets on shen, esp. based on what morello said.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 07 2011 23:02 GMT
#2934
Rumble buffs! Callin it.

Everyone else gets to guess at stuff why can't I?
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
December 07 2011 23:04 GMT
#2935
On December 08 2011 07:52 Niton wrote:
I thought Loci's secret loves were Veigar and Lux, but he doesn't play either often because they're not very good.

Both have dev comments saying they're getting usability changes, too~


I remember him saying that he wanted Lux's W to pop the passive so that it's useful offensively as well as defensively. It's an interesting idea but too bad it probably won't be implemented.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 07 2011 23:09 GMT
#2936
On December 08 2011 08:04 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 07:52 Niton wrote:
I thought Loci's secret loves were Veigar and Lux, but he doesn't play either often because they're not very good.

Both have dev comments saying they're getting usability changes, too~


I remember him saying that he wanted Lux's W to pop the passive so that it's useful offensively as well as defensively. It's an interesting idea but too bad it probably won't be implemented.


Damn, that would be a sick little mechanic to add :{ too bad it probably won't be.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 07 2011 23:11 GMT
#2937
On December 08 2011 08:02 Parnage wrote:
Rumble buffs! Callin it.

Everyone else gets to guess at stuff why can't I?


Rumble doesn't need buffs. He's still crazy strong he just went out of style among the pro players.

I would like to see those Trynd nerfs to be honest. Along with some Fizz nerfs.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 07 2011 23:18 GMT
#2938
hope volibear gets some nerfs ~_~ fuck that hero
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 07 2011 23:24 GMT
#2939
On December 08 2011 08:04 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 07:52 Niton wrote:
I thought Loci's secret loves were Veigar and Lux, but he doesn't play either often because they're not very good.

Both have dev comments saying they're getting usability changes, too~


I remember him saying that he wanted Lux's W to pop the passive so that it's useful offensively as well as defensively. It's an interesting idea but too bad it probably won't be implemented.


wow that would be gross haha
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 23:26:17
December 07 2011 23:25 GMT
#2940
Okay, while we're on the subjects of buffs and nerfs, here's something I typed up about Taric earlier:


Before his 'fixes', Taric's ult was a fairly narrow but absolutely incredible strategy-altering self buff which gave 150-250 Hp5 with a 1:1 ratio.

Now? Well, to give you some comparison, let's compare it to Sona's Q:

Hymn of Valor: 50/100/150/200/250 (+.7) Damage, 8/11/14/17/20 AD/AP, 7 second CD, 65 mana, 700 radius.

Radiance: 150/250/350 (+.7) Damage, 30(15)/50(25)/70(35) AD/AP, 60 second CD, 100 mana, 400 damage radius, 700 aura radius.

The bolded numbers are what your level 6 damage potential looks like. Sona's Q gives her 16 less and her allies 1 less AD/AP, does the same damage, has a cooldown 1/8th the time of Taric's ult, and has no duration on its aura. Taric's ult is almost straight up worse than Sona's Q at the kind of small skirmishes that he's best at, and Sona gets a nice AoE stun in her ult slot.

When you add in the fact that his rank 1 heal (60 for both OR 84 to self, 80 mana, 20 sec CD reduced by hitting things) is worse than all of the following heals:

- Sona's (40 healing for both, 7 sec CD, 60 mana)
- Alistar's (60 for self / 30 for ally, 12 sec CD, 2+ times a wave from passive, 20 Mana)
- Soraka's (70/140/210 for target / 20 sec CD, 25/50/75 Armor / 5 sec, 90/110/130 Mana, usually levelled first)

I really don't know why you'd pick Taric unless you were either terrible at Alistar or really, really, really needed a single target stun. His current kit suggests that he belongs in a solo lane, but his sustain is so weak and mana costs are so high that he's worse there than Soraka and Janna as well. Janna's shield is also amazing, but that's apples and oranges and she's a way better CCbot than Taric could ever hope to be.

I really loved playing him, and by the time his ult was removed I was a master at creating better pushes by abusing its healing to its fullest. Now? He's just bad. He's a jack of all trades in a game that demands role specialization, and he really can't stand up to the role power of Sona, Soraka, Alistar or Janna. If Taric at least got numbers good enough to go to a solo lane and have a decent shot at being useful endgame, that'd be something. Right now? He's got nothing, and he owes a lot of that nothing to the Radiance changes, though his Q being so weak really doesn't help.

tl;dr: Taric is okay. The problem is, he's an okay champion sharing a role with 4 incredibly powerful and diverse champions. And that's not okay. With a passive and Q secondary that are anti-synergistic with the idea of 'being a support' past laning phase, he has a very hard time doing anything better than any of the others.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
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