[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 147

On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, a look at the Atmogs interaction, Volibear nurfguns, and some more love for our favourite global ult champion. Loci, if you're reading this, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. I also heard Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.

On December 08 2011 07:33 CeriseCherries wrote:


Loci's favorite AP champion is Morgana right o.o DONT FUCKING TOUCH HER YOU BASTARDS

On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.

On December 08 2011 07:26 MoonBear wrote:

I think the next patch will be interesting then huehuehue.

Other things I have heard include projectile speed increases on Lux, Volibear nurfguns pewpewpew, and some love for our favourite global ult champion. Also Loci, your favourite AP Champion is also getting a look at. Trynd and Riven are considered border-line OP but no action afaik.

EDIT: Took out uninteresting stuff.

On December 08 2011 07:41 starfries wrote:

is our favourite global ult champion Pantheon ^_^

On December 08 2011 07:33 CeriseCherries wrote:


Loci's favorite AP champion is Morgana right o.o DONT FUCKING TOUCH HER YOU BASTARDS

On December 08 2011 08:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im assuming viegar. And hopefully Moon means pantheon, cuz im pretty sure the global ult hero of the TL forums is pantheon.

On December 08 2011 07:52 Niton wrote:
I thought Loci's secret loves were Veigar and Lux, but he doesn't play either often because they're not very good.

Both have dev comments saying they're getting usability changes, too~

On December 08 2011 08:04 JBright wrote:


I remember him saying that he wanted Lux's W to pop the passive so that it's useful offensively as well as defensively. It's an interesting idea but too bad it probably won't be implemented.

On December 08 2011 08:02 Parnage wrote:
Rumble buffs! Callin it.

Everyone else gets to guess at stuff why can't I?

On December 08 2011 08:04 JBright wrote:


I remember him saying that he wanted Lux's W to pop the passive so that it's useful offensively as well as defensively. It's an interesting idea but too bad it probably won't be implemented.

Before his 'fixes', Taric's ult was a fairly narrow but absolutely incredible strategy-altering self buff which gave 150-250 Hp5 with a 1:1 ratio.

Now? Well, to give you some comparison, let's compare it to Sona's Q:

Hymn of Valor: 50/100/150/200/250 (+.7) Damage, 8/11/14/17/20 AD/AP, 7 second CD, 65 mana, 700 radius.

Radiance: 150/250/350 (+.7) Damage, 30(15)/50(25)/70(35) AD/AP, 60 second CD, 100 mana, 400 damage radius, 700 aura radius.

The bolded numbers are what your level 6 damage potential looks like. Sona's Q gives her 16 less and her allies 1 less AD/AP, does the same damage, has a cooldown 1/8th the time of Taric's ult, and has no duration on its aura. Taric's ult is almost straight up worse than Sona's Q at the kind of small skirmishes that he's best at, and Sona gets a nice AoE stun in her ult slot.

When you add in the fact that his rank 1 heal (60 for both OR 84 to self, 80 mana, 20 sec CD reduced by hitting things) is worse than all of the following heals:

- Sona's (40 healing for both, 7 sec CD, 60 mana)
- Alistar's (60 for self / 30 for ally, 12 sec CD, 2+ times a wave from passive, 20 Mana)
- Soraka's (70/140/210 for target / 20 sec CD, 25/50/75 Armor / 5 sec, 90/110/130 Mana, usually levelled first)

I really don't know why you'd pick Taric unless you were either terrible at Alistar or really, really, really needed a single target stun. His current kit suggests that he belongs in a solo lane, but his sustain is so weak and mana costs are so high that he's worse there than Soraka and Janna as well. Janna's shield is also amazing, but that's apples and oranges and she's a way better CCbot than Taric could ever hope to be.

I really loved playing him, and by the time his ult was removed I was a master at creating better pushes by abusing its healing to its fullest. Now? He's just bad. He's a jack of all trades in a game that demands role specialization, and he really can't stand up to the role power of Sona, Soraka, Alistar or Janna. If Taric at least got numbers good enough to go to a solo lane and have a decent shot at being useful endgame, that'd be something. Right now? He's got nothing, and he owes a lot of that nothing to the Radiance changes, though his Q being so weak really doesn't help.

tl;dr: Taric is okay. The problem is, he's an okay champion sharing a role with 4 incredibly powerful and diverse champions. And that's not okay. With a passive and Q secondary that are anti-synergistic with the idea of 'being a support' past laning phase, he has a very hard time doing anything better than any of the others.