EPT[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 145
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Two_DoWn
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Ryuu314
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Juicyfruit
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:11 Juicyfruit wrote: Not saying you can't just do the "hit minion 1 extra time", or having your support weaken the minions blah blah, but you're wasting autoattacks that opens you up to potential harass under the tower. Runing because it helps with csing under your turret is like runing full mr because the game might bug and you might get hit by a karthus ult randomly. If you know you are weak and want to rune to cs under turret that's fine, but that's not the case if you play an ad carry unless you are doing it wrong. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:11 Juicyfruit wrote: But being able to last-hit without applying an extra hit per minion for a certain timeframe was a pretty genuine benefit of AD marks, though that's situational, but it's a factor when optimizing for specific champion. I don't know with the new masteries whether this is still relevant to the same extent. Not saying you can't just do the "hit minion 1 extra time", or having your support weaken the minions blah blah, but you're wasting autoattacks that opens you up to potential harass under the tower. Or potential missing CS under the tower due to unexpected minion damage, because the auto-turret would leave the minion with like 20 health remaining - very easy for one of your minions to deny you by just attacking it before the turret shot lands, but after you went to shoot it that first time. And somewhere my math is off, because you can do this with ONE doran's blade at the levels I said you need 2. I was last hitting under turret with 1 doran blade at level 3. However, this was probably influenced by solo midlane reaching 3 way sooner than duo botlane. | ||
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:18 Juicyfruit wrote: Corki's probably one of the best champions to argue for flat AD though, since on top of his passive, he shreds armor + has an R that scales with AD but not armor pen. I also run Flat AD on Riven for many of the same reasons and her early game is already really good this almost guarantees a kill | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:27 sylverfyre wrote: Or potential missing CS under the tower due to unexpected minion damage, because the auto-turret would leave the minion with like 20 health remaining - very easy for one of your minions to deny you by just attacking it before the turret shot lands, but after you went to shoot it that first time. And somewhere my math is off, because you can do this with ONE doran's blade at the levels I said you need 2. I was last hitting under turret with 1 doran blade at level 3. However, this was probably influenced by solo midlane reaching 3 way sooner than duo botlane. If you want to open boots it's a lot harder to last hit under tower without ad flat marks. If you're opening Doran Blade I doubt you need ad marks to last hit under tower in one shot anyways. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:11 TheKefka wrote: No,if you want to learn how to last hit,play Zilean.That attack animation and damage is terror for last hitting at lower lvls hahah. zilean has a very easy to last hit with animation compared to anivia | ||
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JackDino
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starfries
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:56 starfries wrote: play Soraka and attempt to steal as many cs as you can from your carry. it's like dota where people can deny you. Much easier than doing da fiddle. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
If you practice 1000 games of last hitting with anivia, it's not going to make it easier on you to last-hit with MF, since you're just gonna end up hitting everything too early if you utilize the same instincts. If you want to improve your last hitting with ranged AD, practice last hitting with ranged AD. The thing you should be focusing on isn't how to time your attacks, since that will vary from champion to champion. You should be practicing how to last-hit while minimizing how much attention you pay to it, and predicting the creeps targets + maintaining a good sense of where/when the next wave is at all times. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 08 2011 06:09 Juicyfruit wrote: I personally wouldn't recommend last-hitting with anivia/fiddle unless you're actually intending on PLAYING those champions. If you practice 1000 games of last hitting with anivia, it's not going to make it easier on you to last-hit with MF, since you're just gonna end up hitting everything too early if you utilize the same instincts. If you want to improve your last hitting with ranged AD, practice last hitting with ranged AD. The thing you should be focusing on isn't how to time your attacks, since that will vary from champion to champion. You should be practicing how to last-hit while minimizing how much attention you pay to it, and predicting the creeps targets + maintaining a good sense of where/when the next wave is at all times. Pfft fuck that. I just swapped all my arp reds for ad reds, now I'm super good at last hitting. Also AD quints and the 4 ad from masteries. Master last hitter! | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On December 08 2011 06:15 JackDino wrote: I could've never imagined that 12k people would like to watch the rainman lol. Any port in a storm, my friend. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 08 2011 06:09 Juicyfruit wrote: I personally wouldn't recommend last-hitting with anivia/fiddle unless you're actually intending on PLAYING those champions. If you practice 1000 games of last hitting with anivia, it's not going to make it easier on you to last-hit with MF, since you're just gonna end up hitting everything too early if you utilize the same instincts. If you want to improve your last hitting with ranged AD, practice last hitting with ranged AD. The thing you should be focusing on isn't how to time your attacks, since that will vary from champion to champion. You should be practicing how to last-hit while minimizing how much attention you pay to it, and predicting the creeps targets + maintaining a good sense of where/when the next wave is at all times. Anivia so es to last hit with  | ||
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broz0rs
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I'd say Fiddle and WW are the 2 champs with the worst auto attack I know. I'm usually 20cs behind with WW compared to what I achieve with GP/Udyr/Cho... On December 08 2011 06:31 broz0rs wrote: I think a decent justification of going all balls out AD is to get a better shot at picking up a kill at pre-lv. 6 and hopefully leading to a snowball. Considering the amount of games that end at 20 mins it's not that terrible of a choice. It's similar to an all-in build, but you won't necessarily do poorly if it doesn't work out. So it's not all-in. | ||
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