EPTMy main Hero is Tristana but I have pretty big issues early game because any other ad carry has a bigger harass range than me. Is there any pro guide out there ? I read something about going for AD quints, but I'm not sure. ( my BO is DB, boots, zeal, bf , ie, bf(or finish PD) )
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
My main Hero is Tristana but I have pretty big issues early game because any other ad carry has a bigger harass range than me. Is there any pro guide out there ? I read something about going for AD quints, but I'm not sure. ( my BO is DB, boots, zeal, bf , ie, bf(or finish PD) ) | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:05 Mondieu wrote: Hello. \o My main Hero is Tristana but I have pretty big issues early game because any other ad carry has a bigger harass range than me. Is there any pro guide out there ? I read something about going for AD quints, but I'm not sure. ( my BO is DB, boots, zeal, bf , ie, bf(or finish PD) ) Tristana is the strongest early game AD carry, because of w + e damage. Your BO is the problem, you need either a more than 1 dorans blade. You're going to be useless against AD carries who go wriggles unless you also go wriggles, but I don't think wriggles on tristana is good. Also, for tristana Candy Panda and Chaox (Top AD carries) go 2-3x doran blades, boots, ie, level 2 boots, last whisper/QSS depending on what kind of tanks they have, PD, then GA. Your steroid is the best, you don't need any items to supplement your attack speed. If you're losing early game to other ADs then fix your build, if you're still losing then it's your supports fault or you're just playing terribly. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:05 Mondieu wrote: Hello. \o My main Hero is Tristana but I have pretty big issues early game because any other ad carry has a bigger harass range than me. Is there any pro guide out there ? I read something about going for AD quints, but I'm not sure. ( my BO is DB, boots, zeal, bf , ie, bf(or finish PD) ) Tristana is pretty scary early game because she has mage like burst while being an AD Carry. Have a read of Chaox's Guide to Tristana and watch the videos he put there on how to lane and play Tristana. Also, getting a zeal that early doesn't help because you already have Q as a massive AS steriod. Generally you want AD items first on most champions because doing small amounts of damage fast doesn't help, while doing big chunks at a time is scary. Tristana has three big levels of power. This first is early game where no one has items. She then tails off after level 6 because her burst from spells is less scary, but picks up again once she gets her IE. She then scales really well into lategame with that ultra-long range from passive with maxed 6 items. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:12 MoonBear wrote: Tristana is pretty scary early game because she has mage like burst while being an AD Carry. Have a read of Chaox's Guide to Tristana and watch the videos he put there on how to lane and play Tristana. Also, getting a zeal that early doesn't help because you already have Q as a massive AS steriod. Generally you want AD items first on most champions because doing small amounts of damage fast doesn't help, while doing big chunks at a time is scary. Tristana has three big levels of power. This first is early game where no one has items. She then tails off after level 6 because her burst from spells is less scary, but picks up again once she gets her IE. She then scales really well into lategame with that ultra-long range from passive with maxed 6 items. Meh, I don't that guide. It's more of an easy to use generic AD guide. Bloodthirster/Wriggles is a waste of money unless your team is incompetent and can't peel for you ESPECIALLY if you have sona/soraka on your team. Chaox is assuming that you want to carry by yourself when he puts those items into his guide. IE,LW and QSS are the only 3 items you need to carry non-heavy teams with Tristana. You just absolutely wreck other AD carries that aren't kogmaw because of your range advantage later. Plus you can reposition yourself and peel for yourself with ult. Ultimately, you might find wriggles first the best build ever because it is imba in solo queue, always farm never leave lane, always ward never die. However, just keep note of ALL the ways you can play, because despite wriggles on tristana feeling like the most broken thing ever, Candy Panda actually says that you shouldn't build it on her anywhere that isn't solo queue. Overall though, if you last hit perfectly and know what to build then you can do good as AD carry even if you suck ass at positioning/ fighting. (Example, doublelift) | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:05 Mondieu wrote: Hello. \o My main Hero is Tristana but I have pretty big issues early game because any other ad carry has a bigger harass range than me. Is there any pro guide out there ? I read something about going for AD quints, but I'm not sure. ( my BO is DB, boots, zeal, bf , ie, bf(or finish PD) ) Get aggresiver early game jump on people and kill them beau tadej style it helps if you scream and bang your keyboard and yell at your support while you do it | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:25 tobi9999 wrote: Meh, I don't that guide. It's more of an easy to use generic AD guide. Bloodthirster/Wriggles is a waste of money unless your team is incompetent and can't peel for you ESPECIALLY if you have sona/soraka on your team. Chaox is assuming that you want to carry by yourself when he puts those items into his guide. IE,LW and QSS are the only 3 items you need to carry non-heavy teams with Tristana. You just absolutely wreck other AD carries that aren't kogmaw because of your range advantage later. Plus you can reposition yourself and peel for yourself with ult. Ultimately, you might find wriggles first the best build ever because it is imba in solo queue, always farm never leave lane, always ward never die. However, just keep note of ALL the ways you can play, because despite wriggles on tristana feeling like the most broken thing ever, Candy Panda actually says that you shouldn't build it on her anywhere that isn't solo queue. Overall though, if you last hit perfectly and know what to build then you can do good as AD carry even if you suck ass at positioning/ fighting. (Example, doublelift) Wriggles is mainly for laning, not for teamfighting and in soloq having your team peel for you happens once in a blue moon. You don''t even need QSS if your team is peeling for you and you should get Pdancer instead of LW when you''re going IE, the crit is just so much better unless you''re against a heavy armour stacking team(which you aren''t). | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:29 JackDino wrote: Wriggles is mainly for laning, not for teamfighting and in soloq having your team peel for you happens once in a blue moon. You don''t even need QSS if your team is peeling for you and you should get Pdancer instead of LW when you''re going IE, the crit is just so much better unless you''re against a heavy armour stacking team(which you aren''t). I watch Chaox's stream quite often, he gets LW before PD 90% of the time. He also always gets QSS very early. QSS is an essential item even if your team peels for you. What can you do vs people who flash stun then burst you down? | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:36 Gaslo wrote: Don't know where else to ask. How did this "Scumbag Jatt" thing got started? WCG quals The rules state that if you have dual citizenship you can only play in one nation's qualifiers. Jatt is canadian/US dual citizen. He played in the Canadian qualifiers first and lost, while also playing in the US qualifiers. Then he went to Marcou and Marcou d/c'd him from the Canadian qualifiers after Dignitas lost so he could play in the US qualifiers. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:36 Gaslo wrote: Don't know where else to ask. How did this "Scumbag Jatt" thing got started? Jatt cheated by playing on 2 WCG qualifier teams. Then he continually trolled other teams with this as if it were a joke in chat pregame. "i'm special i can play 2 countries np" Also, he didn't let his team stream during the games while the other team did, and he paused the game 5 minutes (exactly the time that the other team had on their stream delays) twice. There's no solid proof that he's a cheater, and WCG did actually clear his playing twice fiasco even if it was completely bull. (he'll be disqualified in this qualifier after he's already lost, then he'll be allowed to play in the other) The scumbag Jatt thing got started and is still going because streamers everywhere are just calling him that. "Scumbag Jatt a nice guy? HAH! he's playing for Mexico as we speak" - SaintVicious not just saintvicious but literally every non dignitas streamer like TheOddOne continually repeats it because they think it's funny. lol Also there's the entire controversy over his team winning WCG USA..... but that's another can of worms. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:44 tobi9999 wrote: Jatt cheated by playing on 2 WCG qualifier teams. Then he continually trolled other teams with this as if it were a joke in chat pregame. "i'm special i can play 2 countries np" Also, he didn't let his team stream during the games while the other team did, and he paused the game 5 minutes (exactly the time that the other team had on their stream delays) twice. There's no solid proof that he's a cheater, and WCG did actually clear his playing twice fiasco even if it was completely bull. (he'll be disqualified in this qualifier after he's already lost, then he'll be allowed to play in the other) The scumbag Jatt thing got started and is still going because streamers everywhere are just calling him that. "Scumbag Jatt a nice guy? HAH! he's playing for Mexico as we speak" - SaintVicious not just saintvicious but literally every non dignitas streamer like TheOddOne continually repeats it because they think it's funny. lol Also there's the entire controversy over his team winning WCG USA..... but that's another can of worms. I didn't know about the pause thing.... thats pretty awful if its true. Like, the WCG thing I can kinda understand, and lots of people are BM but that's straight up cheating. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:50 taLbuk wrote: I'm sorry but why in the hell does spectator mode force a delay? Obviously having a delay choice is nice, but I remember thinking how pathetic it was watching CLG win gamescon, than stand up and celebrate when the projectors above them were still a minute off from their victory lol. To prevent cheating. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
Sigh, no really? the point is it should be optional, not forced, again, imagine starcraft having a 1 minute forced delay at lans like mlg and gsl, i can see it now, huk coming out of his booth cheering while the audience is still a minute off lol turn it on for online tournaments, and off for lans and when your spectating your friends or maybe coaching someone, | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:35 Kaniol wrote: Fnatic is playing vs Dignitas, i think it's for the wellplayed's rampage: http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=52 First game was dignitas sereverly outpicking fnatic, second game ofnatick out picking dignitas (double ap vs triple ad). | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:53 taLbuk wrote: Sigh, no really? the point is it should be optional, not forced, again, imagine starcraft having a 1 minute forced delay at lans like mlg and gsl, i can see it now, huk coming out of his booth cheering while the audience is still a minute off lol turn it on for online tournaments, and off for lans and when your spectating your friends or maybe coaching someone, Have someone in the audience watch the big screen and feed a player all the info trough skype or whatever. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:44 tobi9999 wrote: Jatt cheated by playing on 2 WCG qualifier teams. Then he continually trolled other teams with this as if it were a joke in chat pregame. "i'm special i can play 2 countries np" Also, he didn't let his team stream during the games while the other team did, and he paused the game 5 minutes (exactly the time that the other team had on their stream delays) twice. There's no solid proof that he's a cheater, and WCG did actually clear his playing twice fiasco even if it was completely bull. (he'll be disqualified in this qualifier after he's already lost, then he'll be allowed to play in the other) The scumbag Jatt thing got started and is still going because streamers everywhere are just calling him that. "Scumbag Jatt a nice guy? HAH! he's playing for Mexico as we speak" - SaintVicious not just saintvicious but literally every non dignitas streamer like TheOddOne continually repeats it because they think it's funny. lol Also there's the entire controversy over his team winning WCG USA..... but that's another can of worms. It's not cheating he asked and was told by the admins he could play. Once he gets permission its not his fault if he chooses to play in the other qualifiers. Also there was a clear disconnect of scarra when he morgana ulted and stood still and that paused after that fight. He explained this in SoTL. Why would you even want to ghost just after losing a teamfight? Like you can't even do anything with it. | ||
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