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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:10:53
November 06 2011 21:10 GMT
#1881
On November 07 2011 06:03 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 05:53 taLbuk wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:52 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:50 taLbuk wrote:
I'm sorry but why in the hell does spectator mode force a delay? Obviously having a delay choice is nice, but I remember thinking how pathetic it was watching CLG win gamescon, than stand up and celebrate when the projectors above them were still a minute off from their victory lol.

To prevent cheating.


Sigh, no really?

the point is it should be optional, not forced, again, imagine starcraft having a 1 minute forced delay at lans like mlg and gsl, i can see it now, huk coming out of his booth cheering while the audience is still a minute off lol

turn it on for online tournaments, and off for lans and when your spectating your friends or maybe coaching someone,

Have someone in the audience watch the big screen and feed a player all the info trough skype or whatever.

And if you don't have 10 booths, it looks terrible. When you win, you show it :o
The legend of Darien lives on
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:17:31
November 06 2011 21:12 GMT
#1882
On November 07 2011 05:53 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 05:52 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:50 taLbuk wrote:
I'm sorry but why in the hell does spectator mode force a delay? Obviously having a delay choice is nice, but I remember thinking how pathetic it was watching CLG win gamescon, than stand up and celebrate when the projectors above them were still a minute off from their victory lol.

To prevent cheating.


Sigh, no really?

the point is it should be optional, not forced, again, imagine starcraft having a 1 minute forced delay at lans like mlg and gsl, i can see it now, huk coming out of his booth cheering while the audience is still a minute off lol

turn it on for online tournaments, and off for lans and when your spectating your friends or maybe coaching someone,


zzz...

That's a retarded scenario. Herp derp, HuK comes out of his booth asaply after a game.

There are benefits to having a stream/cast delayed by 1-2 minutes. I'd rather not have casters tip toe around their casting during key points of a game if the booths are not soundproof or have player be able to read the audience's reaction. It's far easier and cheaper to delay a stream by a little bit than invest in top notch gaming booth, for example.

But seriously, is a minute delay on stream going to ruin your experience of being at or watching a live tournament? -_-

Edit: your example of Gamescon even proves my point. LoL isn't like SC where individual players get their own booth. iirc, LoL played on a stage where each team sits at a long table. A delay is a necessity at LANs. Fair play should trump all.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#1883
On November 07 2011 06:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 05:53 taLbuk wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:52 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:50 taLbuk wrote:
I'm sorry but why in the hell does spectator mode force a delay? Obviously having a delay choice is nice, but I remember thinking how pathetic it was watching CLG win gamescon, than stand up and celebrate when the projectors above them were still a minute off from their victory lol.

To prevent cheating.


Sigh, no really?

the point is it should be optional, not forced, again, imagine starcraft having a 1 minute forced delay at lans like mlg and gsl, i can see it now, huk coming out of his booth cheering while the audience is still a minute off lol

turn it on for online tournaments, and off for lans and when your spectating your friends or maybe coaching someone,


zzz...

That's a retarded scenario. Herp derp, HuK comes out of his booth asaply after a game.

There are benefits to having a stream/cast delayed by 1-2 minutes. I'd rather not have casters tip toe around their casting during key points of a game if the booths are not soundproof or have player be able to read the audience's reaction. It's far easier and cheaper to delay a stream by a little bit than invest in top notch gaming booth, for example.

But seriously, is a minute delay on stream going to ruin your experience of being at or watching a live tournament? -_-

Not to mention usually you know which team is victiorious 1-2mins before the victory screen pops up.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 06 2011 21:37 GMT
#1884
On November 07 2011 05:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
It's because nobody likes to play galio.


Really? He's so fun. Run mp5 yellows and Q them all day. I've also seen a fair amount of Galio middle against their AP, he just ruins them by stacking MR.
I am the Town Medic.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
November 06 2011 21:47 GMT
#1885
Im just done with league.
Too depressed and tired to take on 1050 ranked.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 06 2011 21:51 GMT
#1886
On November 07 2011 06:37 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 05:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
It's because nobody likes to play galio.


Really? He's so fun. Run mp5 yellows and Q them all day. I've also seen a fair amount of Galio middle against their AP, he just ruins them by stacking MR.


Fun is all relative. Most people don't enjoy playing a more support role and would rather be that guy who's 10/0 doing all the killing.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 06 2011 21:56 GMT
#1887
On November 07 2011 06:51 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 06:37 Alzadar wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
It's because nobody likes to play galio.


Really? He's so fun. Run mp5 yellows and Q them all day. I've also seen a fair amount of Galio middle against their AP, he just ruins them by stacking MR.


Fun is all relative. Most people don't enjoy playing a more support role and would rather be that guy who's 10/0 doing all the killing.

Build him AP and do all the killing, but I agree with fun being relative.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 06 2011 21:58 GMT
#1888
On November 07 2011 03:28 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 03:03 Shauni wrote:
On November 06 2011 12:44 Hynda wrote:
I have no fucking clue how to get people to listen. No matter how hard I carry I lose so many games because people just refuse to listen. My last 5 loses have all been games that would have been easily won if people would just do as I said. I've tried every possible tone of voice to get them to do this but it just doesn't work. Being nice, mad, firm, happy nothing. That is the secret I want to know from the people at the top, cause even when they are trolling on alts they get people to do what they tell em to do.


the trick is not to boss people around with words. use actions only , sometimes ping to remind people of minimap. but if you tell them what to do itll just cause stupid arguing most of the time. act on your own, if you get a good start team will automatically follow your actions. if the team does something really stupid, dont follow through, just distance yourself and try to make the best of the situation. hopefully they will realize in retrospect why, but even if they blame you for their mistakes its important not to retort, since that will just worsen the atmosphere. I feel that I can carry the team best when im on ignore all, i usually just put it on if my team argues in champselect (which is very common especially in europe)

There's no magic trick. 50% of all people in soloqueue are childish ragers, end of story.

~1650 elo.
We are ahead by 6 towers, 3 dragons and a dozen kills.
Someone on our team takes redbuff.
Someone else goes afk because of that.
There was no flaming before that occurence.

THIS is what you should expect in every single solo Q game.
Yes, this has actually happened to me.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2659 Posts
November 06 2011 21:58 GMT
#1889
Fnatic are amazing on vent. They are constantly joking and having fun, all the while saying everything that needs to be said and not raging at eachother.

So jealous.
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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
November 06 2011 22:07 GMT
#1890
I wasn't going to say anything as I believe people are entitled to their own opinions, but seeing this scumbag jatt stuff on this forum bothers me. I don't want any "Scumbag Jatt" stuff on a forum that I respect. Any reasonable person could see that Scarra DID actually have video card troubles for the second disconnect (he completely stopped moving during the teamfight). Just because Jatt didn't want his team to stream doesn't mean he's an asshole, it just means he's very competitive (which he is, he gets really animated and excited while playing). What happened is what happened, and ultimately it wasn't Dignitas' fault for what occurred. WCG should have realized what was going on and made some decisions before it came down to AFTER the finals. As someone who has actually played with Dignitas and met them in real life they are all great guys (Scarra is arguably the nicest person I've ever met). They have received enough shit from all of the streamers and LoL general forums, I think they should at least get our respect here (Voyboy was getting death threats... Are you fucking kidding me?).
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17239 Posts
November 06 2011 22:07 GMT
#1891
On November 07 2011 06:58 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 03:28 Craton wrote:
On November 07 2011 03:03 Shauni wrote:
On November 06 2011 12:44 Hynda wrote:
I have no fucking clue how to get people to listen. No matter how hard I carry I lose so many games because people just refuse to listen. My last 5 loses have all been games that would have been easily won if people would just do as I said. I've tried every possible tone of voice to get them to do this but it just doesn't work. Being nice, mad, firm, happy nothing. That is the secret I want to know from the people at the top, cause even when they are trolling on alts they get people to do what they tell em to do.


the trick is not to boss people around with words. use actions only , sometimes ping to remind people of minimap. but if you tell them what to do itll just cause stupid arguing most of the time. act on your own, if you get a good start team will automatically follow your actions. if the team does something really stupid, dont follow through, just distance yourself and try to make the best of the situation. hopefully they will realize in retrospect why, but even if they blame you for their mistakes its important not to retort, since that will just worsen the atmosphere. I feel that I can carry the team best when im on ignore all, i usually just put it on if my team argues in champselect (which is very common especially in europe)

There's no magic trick. 50% of all people in soloqueue are childish ragers, end of story.

~1650 elo.
We are ahead by 6 towers, 3 dragons and a dozen kills.
Someone on our team takes redbuff.
Someone else goes afk because of that.
There was no flaming before that occurence.

THIS is what you should expect in every single solo Q game.
Yes, this has actually happened to me.

There's no magic Elo where people stop being full retards -- look at GingerBROWN. Just yesterday I had someone in 1700s rage afk because our team was 6-10 in kills.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
November 06 2011 22:08 GMT
#1892
On November 07 2011 06:51 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 06:37 Alzadar wrote:
On November 07 2011 05:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
It's because nobody likes to play galio.


Really? He's so fun. Run mp5 yellows and Q them all day. I've also seen a fair amount of Galio middle against their AP, he just ruins them by stacking MR.


Fun is all relative. Most people don't enjoy playing a more support role and would rather be that guy who's 10/0 doing all the killing.


Why not be both? :D
:3
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 06 2011 22:18 GMT
#1893
Should morg shit on malz mid? I've had decent success just banning Kass and then leaving sion or morg open and then WTF BBQ destroying them mid. I trade CS as quickly as morg does and then when I hit 6 she has to either actively get ganks or just not be anywhere near me or get gibbed. Sion is pretty easy too if you get good about landing Q.

Also, I never see malz much anymore. Is there a major contributing factor or did he just die out?
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#1894
On November 07 2011 07:18 Cixah wrote:
Should morg shit on malz mid? I've had decent success just banning Kass and then leaving sion or morg open and then WTF BBQ destroying them mid. I trade CS as quickly as morg does and then when I hit 6 she has to either actively get ganks or just not be anywhere near me or get gibbed. Sion is pretty easy too if you get good about landing Q.

Also, I never see malz much anymore. Is there a major contributing factor or did he just die out?

Salce pretty much summed it up yesterday on stream. Malz gets hardcountered by a single item- QSS. Also Sion clears waves better, ganks better, and isnt countered by QSS. So there really isnt a reason to ever pick malz. Salce also mentioned that malz ratios are shit.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
rewtamus
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States327 Posts
November 06 2011 22:29 GMT
#1895
Hi!

I am a host of a podcast and we interviewed him the other day(it will be up soon).

he said a lot of things and cleared things up, but basically the decision was an admin thing and not their fault. voyboy/jatt didnt do anything wrong
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 06 2011 22:29 GMT
#1896
On November 07 2011 07:07 LoCicero wrote:Just because Jatt didn't want his team to stream doesn't mean he's an asshole, it just means he's very competitive.

Yea that's something scarra was pointing out on reddit. Stream all your scrims and matches and you let the possibility to the other teams to see exactly how your team synergize, and teams that do it very often (TSM, CLG, etc) mostly do it to get more viewers on their streams.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#1897
On November 07 2011 07:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 07:18 Cixah wrote:
Should morg shit on malz mid? I've had decent success just banning Kass and then leaving sion or morg open and then WTF BBQ destroying them mid. I trade CS as quickly as morg does and then when I hit 6 she has to either actively get ganks or just not be anywhere near me or get gibbed. Sion is pretty easy too if you get good about landing Q.

Also, I never see malz much anymore. Is there a major contributing factor or did he just die out?

Salce pretty much summed it up yesterday on stream. Malz gets hardcountered by a single item- QSS. Also Sion clears waves better, ganks better, and isnt countered by QSS. So there really isnt a reason to ever pick malz. Salce also mentioned that malz ratios are shit.


Sion gets hardcountered by damage items. That's even worse...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 06 2011 22:34 GMT
#1898
On November 07 2011 05:44 tobi9999 wrote:
Also, he didn't let his team stream during the games while the other team did, and he paused the game 5 minutes (exactly the time that the other team had on their stream delays) twice.

The stream issue is misinformed. The issue was that Hotshot wanted to cast the game from observer mode, and Jatt didn't want to allow it. Given that Hotshot was constantly in vent with CDE throughout the event, that's completely understandable.

With regard to the game pause, anyone watching the game saw Scarra 5-person Morgana ulti and STOP moving. It allowed everyone to get out of it, and then turn around and kill him. If that's not an obvious DC, I don't know what to say.
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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 06 2011 22:37 GMT
#1899
I fucking hate the elo reset, I havn't had a single close game in pre-season 2. Not a single game that was a challenge. My last 10 games have gone 5-5 and they have all been 0 challenge. 1-10 gallio. 0-12 vayne bot. followed by me just going 23-0, followed by a 0-8 jungler and a 2-7 top. 1-5 bot and 0-3 support. It's so fucking boring. It's not fun crushing anyone and everyone and it's not fun just watching all lanes go and herp derp themselves into a uncarryable state. How the fuck do you carry this shit, GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.


There we go out of my system, back to solo queue.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:45:32
November 06 2011 22:39 GMT
#1900
On November 07 2011 07:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 07:18 Cixah wrote:
Should morg shit on malz mid? I've had decent success just banning Kass and then leaving sion or morg open and then WTF BBQ destroying them mid. I trade CS as quickly as morg does and then when I hit 6 she has to either actively get ganks or just not be anywhere near me or get gibbed. Sion is pretty easy too if you get good about landing Q.

Also, I never see malz much anymore. Is there a major contributing factor or did he just die out?

Salce pretty much summed it up yesterday on stream. Malz gets hardcountered by a single item- QSS. Also Sion clears waves better, ganks better, and isnt countered by QSS. So there really isnt a reason to ever pick malz. Salce also mentioned that malz ratios are shit.

Malz gets hardcountered by 5 QSS.
Malz deals WAY more DPS than Sion, Malz has WAY more range than Sion, Malz has an AoE Silence that goes through spellshields.

Sion might be better early/midgame (which is before people get QSS, interestingly), but I'd take Malz over Sion for lategame any day.

Oh and bad ratios? Are you kidding me? 0.8 AoE on Q, 0.8 on E, 1.3 on R, and decent scaling on his W (consider that it is AoE and DoT again). That's pretty solid for his cooldowns and range.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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